Almost positive it means "out of many, one".
@bashwell, it does.
@bashwell, correct. It reflects our status as a melting pot.
@bashwell, correct. Also the whole part about our deep history of tolerance/diversity is a stupid myth as well.
Freedom and individual responsibility were the bedrocks of the country.
@abecedarian, I think you're overthinking it. It's many states united as one
@talmet, yep it was out of many States came one union, freedom to worship your own religion and responsibility for your actions or inactions - not the govt job to wipe your nose or pay you not to work. Also like to point out that using money image is another fallacy because in God we trust was on currency way before the 50's. Brilliantly ignorant upload.
@LeShook, I think you are correct sir.
@bashwell, as a person who studied Latin for 5 years I can agree and say that Unum is nominative singular (one) and e pluribus is a prepositional phrase that means out of or from many so it's literally translated as "out of many one" or the polished translation would be "one out of many"
@bashwell, latin word order isnt that important so it could translate back more ways than one
@whirligig1at6, while you're right about word order, no latinist in his right mind would say that that means "out of one, many".
For those versed in Latin, I'd say that "unum" is not accusative, but nominative, meaning you can't really take it that way.
@Sweet or Sour, It first appeared on coins in 1864, under Abe Lincoln. This was the most cancerous update I've seen in a while.
@bashwell, as someone who knows a bit of latin, it 100% means "out of many, one"
@bashwell, no, it's actually 'out of one, many' because that's how they dissected Abe Lincoln's corpse. Trust me I'm British we wear top hats and stuff too right?
@bashwell, didn't change the interpretation the guy did
@bashwell, you're right.
@Fantabulous Toaster, sends note queen that one of her subjects has gone cobbleywonkers, please send Bobby.
@Sweet or Sour, no! You can't take me back to the clink!
Ah great, here I was enjoying my bowl of FP for the soul and some Facebook fell in
@Pikachusmother, your sarcasm presents a funny...let me stow that for you in a secret government vault until further use...thank and have a great night.
@Blackfrost273, see ya later!😝😝😏😝😝
In Zod we trust.
Wish more people would exercise tolerance and stop being dicks to each other, but hey, it's not a perfect world.
@Grizzy, people who make generalizations are so stupid.
PREACH! except for the part about "out of one, many" that's not right it's the other way around.... But we should sooo sooo change it back to E PLURIBUS UNIM it's much more fitting and encompassing for everyone - believers, atheists, natives, immigrants etc. and it reflects the founding fathers wishes rather than an era of fear surrounding the 2nd Red Scare
I actually have 2 silver certificate dollars of the 1935 series both which are without the "I'm God We Trust" motto.
@Assassinator2399, I have a $2 bill from the early 50s without it too.. It's my favorite
They should change it back. You know separation of church and state and all
@Daynste, Exactly! And the old motto was the only one that actually meant anything
@Daynste, The origin of that is because the state was telling churches how to run, not the other way around. *Runs away*
@angrynarwhals, it's a double edged sword though since it is flipped in cases like church teachings not being allowed in public school systems. It works both ways and shouldn't be a double standard. The churches should be protected from state ruling and the state should be church free to protect those that don't believe in the church's teachings.
@angrynarwhals, the churches ruled the state. Ever heard of the First Estate in France?
@Daynste, And they should revert to the pre-Cold War national anthem.
@Daynste, ya, this country is made up of people from many ethnicities and religious beliefs. It's funny how it went from what this country is all about (people from all over in one country) to a singular religion focus.
@Cpzombie, This ain't France, bud.
I still trust in God so let's keep it
@showmethatphone, i trust in other things, as i am sure you do as well, but id say God has not let me down yet! Although i keep needing Him when stuff goes south...it often goes south...more than i like..and more than i want to deal with...i want to be like the happy people that dont think much at all...but i still want the thinking part.
@showmethatphone, then we should also add "In Allah We Trust" and one for every other religion to make sure we include everyone. But then people like me with no religion are left out? Only reasonable solution is to take it off.
@Hitlers Testicle, Allah is just the Arabic word for God, Arabic Christians have even been known to use it for their God in addition to Muslims. Seeing as English is the primary language of the US, it would really just be redundant to add "in Allah we trust" to the bills.
@Blackfrost273, just remember don't only look to God when you're in trouble. Look to him always. Look to His Son on the cross. And find value in suffering for Christ himself suffered. Maybe suffering sometimes is necessary and even good for you so embrace it as Christ embraced his cross.
@Hitlers Testicle, but I see your point with that.
@showmethatphone, I'm not religious, I myself am agnostic and although it doesn't particularly bother me personally that God is in there, I would probably rather he wasn't. I mean it's pretty blatantly showing favoritism of one religion over all others. Because of that I would say we should remove this piece of anti communist propaganda and go back to what we originally had. I can certainly see why you and other people who believe in God would want to keep it, however let's be honest that's not rational or fair, especially since America is supposed to be about equality. I don't think we should add other religions to anything because that's unreasonable and quite frankly stupid, however I do think that we should never mix religion with schools, or government or anything like that. It's reasonable for the citizens of this country to expect separation of church and state. If you have a counter point feel free to discuss it.
@Hitlers Testicle, No. Muslims worship the exact same god as Christians. Just a different name.
@KiritoSAOHero, religious debates never end well. Religious discussions are fine, but before anyone starts debating, please remember that these people believe/don't believe in something and no matter how you see that you should ultimately respect it. (Not saying anything to you in particular kirito)
@showmethatphone, well.. I don't. So let's change it.
@showmethatphone, Perfectly fine if you believe that, but there's no point in keeping it when it disincludes and alienates people who don't.
@KiritoSAOHero, First, you said it doesn't bother you that it is there, but then you say you want it gone. You want it gone but you don't care it's there, you're contradicting yourself. I agree it is showing favoritism towards Christianity, and that's why I like it. I'm a Christian and I am all for things that promote Christianity. It may have originally been anti-communist propaganda but that is not how people see it now, if people still saw it as anti-communist propaganda then yes it should be taken down. America is still about equality. That quote on our currency does not in any way specifically target any other religion or diminish their values. And you may personally believe to never mix God and state but I'm a Christian and my opinion is opposite. I believe you can discuss or practice your religion anywhere you want, I believe that for all religions in America. I believe that God is watching our country and that quote shows there are still people who believe and trust in Him.
@showmethatphone, Excuse me if I was unclear, I meant that I'm not really upset that it is on our money, however if I was to choose I would take it off. I don't believe that I am contradicting myself. You stated that having a specifically Christian quote on our money which you agreed showed favoritism does not in any way diminish other religions, however the fact of the matter is that when your own country openly supports one religion over all others it does diminish the others, especially if that country happens to be a major world power. Finally I believe that you misunderstood, it's not that I personally believe in the separation of church and state (although I do) the founding fathers believed in it. Thomas Jefferson, among others, used that specific expression to describe the purpose and intent of the "Free exercise clause" in The American Constitution. So although you say that people can still practice their own religion and it doesn't affect the importance or values, it does.
@KiritoSAOHero, Well, to be fair, it's not exactly favoriting one religion over another. "In God We Trust" could refer to any god. Yes, I am certain the ones who implemented the saying unto the currency had the Christian god in mind, but still, if a Muslim wanted to look at the bill and believe the "god" it mentions is his or her god then there is nothing stopping them from doing so.
@showmethatphone, First of all, I'm not throwing my opinion into the ring here. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone one way or the other as of right now. I'm stating facts. You say this country is about equality, but you also believe that church and state should not be separated. Those two ideals do not always mix. When we pass religious freedom bills that restrict the rights of homosexuals, that is a lack of separation of church and state, but it is also a lack of equality. See what I'm getting at here?
@KiritoSAOHero, I still think it doesn't diminish other religions. If I were to go to India where Hinduism is a major religion there their national advocacy does not personally diminish my belief in God. It may not recognize it is a true religion but it does not diminish its importance of its values to me.
@Hitlers Testicle, But you are right, the only reasonable thing would be to get rid of it.
@HammerOfHerertics, The second half of that comment was ok, the first half is nonsense.
@showmethatphone, How about we look at this from another angle? Imagine if our money said "In Satan we Trust" or "There is no God" it may not cause you to question your belief, however you would not like that, correct? The idea is that the government should not be saying one way or another that God exists or that we should trust in, believe in, or pray to him. In America the governments purpose is to ensure Liberty, equality, and freedom for all, not to tell us what deity exists or what to believe in/pray to. I hope that you can understand that even if just a little.
@Sir Unimpressive, not true AT ALL
@Sir Unimpressive, thanks for your assessment I guess...? I consider both halves equally important (not that they're my words, just repetition of 2000 years of Christian thought)
@KiritoSAOHero, I agree completely however technically the federal reserve (the people that make money) is a privately owned company/bank that loans money to the US government. My point is they have nothing to do with government so technically separation of church and state doesn't apply here. Everything you said though makes sense and as a fellow agnostic I agree with the point that no religion belongs on money and it should really be removed out of fairness since we have religious freedom.
@Cat Lauer , the capitalization of the word "god" make it evident that it refers to the Christian god or any monotheistic religion I.e. Judaism and Islam. However it does alienate those religions that may be polytheistic (Hindu) or those that believe in a different higher power all together. So more precisely it favors one type of religion over others however it originally did favorite Christianity over all others which sadly enough our government still does but that's another issue
@Assassinator2399, Well actually our paper money is printed by the United States Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing, which is a government agency. However even if the money was made by a private company, the Government would be the ones placing an order, deciding what goes on the money, and distributing. So even in that case it would be their responsibility and would fall under separation of church and state.
@Assassinator2399, Fair points, sir or madame.
@KiritoSAOHero, Yes the US government requests the money but my point was that since the Federal Reserve is a private company (and yes they do print/make the money and then lend it to the US government, which is why our paper money has the signature of the head of the reserve on it) technically it's not covered under separation of church and state (loophole) regardless of how it is used and seen in government. That and the US government would never admit to contradicting itself anyway which is pretty sad
@Assassinator2399, I really do hate to contradict you again especially since you're agreeing with me for the most part but the Federal Reserve does not actually print our money. As I stated previously our money is printed by the "United States Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing" along with the "United States Department of the Treasury". The Federal Reserve acts as our bank. The government prints the money and the Federal Reserve acts as a giant bank, which in turn lends the money out to actual banks. It's actually really interesting and weird, you could look it up.
@KiritoSAOHero, you are correct. Upon further research it is a weird situation
@Assassinator2399, it's not privately owned it's a branch of the government and is appointed by the president and serve 14yrs.
@Hitlers Testicle, then we add 'In Spaghetti We Trust'. If I ever got my own country with a new currency it would deal in Spaghetti Tickets (or maybe Space Currency, that exists).
@Fantabulous Toaster, I'd like to go ahead and submit my application for citizenship now if that's alright.
@Hitlers Testicle, great, that makes a population of two! Our economy is very successful!
@showmethatphone, oh, you trust in an invisible sky fairy, so we should keep that on the money? Why not "Praise Satan"?
@Fantabulous Toaster, population has doubled in the last day... That makes us the fastest growing country on the planet!
@Cpzombie, you can have a debate, but try to keep it civilized.
@KiritoSAOHero, the only thing I see here is about our country being a democratic. We have voted on it before, (from what I know at least) from my personal views, I like God on money. But in my political views, if everyone voted to put "hail Satan" on money I would be upset, but ultimately content because the populous wanted that. America is what, 70% Christian? There's no official religion for America but Christianity is certainly the most popular. If anything, I believe it goes with our freedom of religion.
I also don't think it interferes with anything politically, so the church and state thing isn't an issue (in my opinion)
In the end though, I don't mind what's on the money as long as actually have some damn money haha
@Runnin with scissors, it's actually not a branch of government. The federal reserve bank is privately owned which is why they lend the money to the US with interest. Also a majority of the US's debt is owed to the Reserve. 1% of the population owns 90% of the world's wealth and a great deal of that 1% are the people that own banks more specifically the federal banks. If it were government then the US would not be in debt to it
@The Silver Shroud, I am being civilized. I'm just not being nice, because that's pretty much how things always end up anyway
@Trump Repellant, Downvote me all you want, it's still a fvcking fact.
Viva Viagra for United States of America!
Cool, who cares?
Heritage of diversity and tolerance? Bitch, where?
@KeKesUHaulFacility , *Looks at cotton plantation circa 1830*
@KeKesUHaulFacility , people from all the countries of Europe, for one thing.
@Cpzombie, what about the irish
@KeKesUHaulFacility , diversity? Check. Tolerance? Meh, they lived. They weren't immediately imprisoned on sight, so I'd say they tolerated the Irish about as well as the word "tolerated" implies XD
Preeeeeeetty sure we didn't have a heritage of diversity and tolerance: American Indians? Bye. Salem witches? Bye. African Americans until the mid-60's? Slaves. Women? No voting until the mid-1900's. The Japanese in WWII? Internment camps. The Chinese? Killed off making the railroads and mines during the 1800's. Not a Christian? Ostracized up until around the end of WWII. Gays? Considered a psychological disorder until the mid-1990's. So, OP, please don't act as if this diversity thing is any older than the 2000's, because it ain't, son.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, good ole Murica
@Pubmarine Shamwich, it was still diverse. People from all over Europe.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, no no no. The diversity was different types of white European males and different versions of Christianity or other monotheistic belief that was closely related to Christianity.
Sounds like someone's a communist now doesn't it?
@TheHaxAreReal, What? Nooooooo
I'm from Canada sooo....this doesn't really apply to me I guess
I don't think this is true.
Does it really even matter? Like who really hear whips out there cash and gets actually offended by their money...
@Wings , I get offended by you using the wrong form of "there".
@Cpzombie, I used wrong form of hear but doesn't their mean possession ?
@Wings , I meant the first one. I was so tired I didn't even notice the "hear", my mind automatically corrected that one XD
Wow. So the first one was a bigger lie than the second...
@cajmoyper , How was the first one a lie?
@Jaune Arc, because they weren't considering slaves as citizens. There was no diversity in the populace then.
@cajmoyper , don't be one of those.
@The Silver Shroud, sorry. I thought that was the joke. :( I'll try to lighten up.
@cajmoyper , there was diversity. People from all over Europe, for one thing.
always wanted to do this. First.
@Forgotten Wood, Brace your anus.
@Forgotten Wood, oh hon
@Forgotten Wood, it doesn't bother me you said that. I only downvoted you because you seemed to have enjoyed the idea of being down voted into oblivion. So I guess what I'm trying to say is: cheers!
@JacketOff, you get it. A vote is a vote 👍🏼
There are many things horribly wrong with this. All someone has to do is spend five minutes fact checking. The sad thing is, most people probably just took that as fact. Which isn't funny. Isn't this FUNNY pics?!
Separation of church and state was established to protect the church and now our government wants to tell churches who they can hire.
And in the age of tolerance no one can tolerate this
@jquondude, yea, because what's superstition of church and state?
@Cpzombie, I have so much superstition regarding both church and state
@AbelFive, I was tired XD
Oh. They got the wrong person teaching that class.
Though it wasn't adopted officially until the 1950s, "And this be our motto: in God is our trust" is part of the last verse of the national anthem, written in 1814.
"Our heritage of tolerance" enslaves thousands of africans, erradicates native americans from their lands, pays european immagrants close to 1cent/day for extremely dangerous work. Yeah... "tolerance"
@Liefarikson, we tolerated their existences, instead of just throwing them into volcanos.
Also, the pledge never originally included "one nation under god". Which is why I dont give a sh!t if it gets taken out. But I will be damned If my kids dont recite the pledge every day at school like I did.
@2ndAmendment, I've always just said "one nation under me"
I actually did know this I took Government last term. Your move, generic Facebook looking pic.
@Godricgryffindor , did this class teach you how good government is? Or did it tell you the truth of how much it screws us. And how the founding fathers are turning in their graves. And how the 2 party system is corrupt. And how the government has too much power.
@2ndAmendment, No, my professor was a liberal.
@Godricgryffindor , his reply: "Oh. They got the wrong person teaching that class." He forgot to press the reply button XD