Now the country who gave everyone an independence day has an independence day. Well played, Britain.
@Split personality, I actually find it ironic that people gave Great Britain a lot of shjt for basically holding smaller civilizations hostage and now a larger group is upset they won't let them hold the UK hostage.
@jklyt1, I see your point but there is quite a difference between the European Union and British imperialism
@Split personality, no you're right there's a world of difference, but it's still two large bureaucracies who don't want to lose control of civilizations very far away.
@jklyt1, EU stabalizes the European Economy. The UK leaving hurts the Global Economy. Nobody was oppressing them. That statement makes you look very ignorant.
@Apple Incorperated, the EU is a bureaucracy that hampers local democracy. The global economy is hurting because no one is acting rationally. If Europe wants open borders and free trade then they can have it without a group of people telling them they need it.
@jklyt1, The only way to act "rationally" would be to treat the UK as they never left. Considering they dispersed, the EU either continues to treat them with the same benefits of the EU and all members leave; causing a fallout. Or for them to treat the UK as they are, and outsider hoping to trade with the organization. The UK will now have to meet the demands, all of which will only damage both parties. It was a choice made of ignorance, and I'm guessing that you're British and voted to leave and that ticks me off because I had made FOREX investments and didn't think the British could really be that stupid to leave. I was completely wrong.
@Apple Incorperated, nope I'm American but ya probably would have voted to leave. Sounds like you made a bad investment and are now really salty about it. But ya sure the British people should just continue doing something they don't want to so that you can make a profit off of it. Capitalism is a game. You played and lost, so don't be a sore loser.
@Apple Incorperated, I'm sorry you lost money betting on the outcome of the Referendum and I hope that it wasn't a hit that causes you long term problems. That being said, please don't call 17.4million people ignorant and stupid for voting to change their relationship with the EU.
Many countries - from the US to Scotland - have sought or gained independence from a party they viewed as being a foreigner power over the last 300 years. Would you say the same of all of them?
@Nellybert , personally I couldn't care less one way or the other, but objectively it was a bad decision. There is zero possible gain and likely negative repercussions to multiple parties.
"Independence" ? From what exactly? An organization that they chose to join? Are you also going to declare independence when you leave your gym or quit your job?
@Nellybert , It was an alliance. That would be as ignorant as the US voting to leave NATO. It's a PAC of countries to ensure global civility and stability. It would be ignorant for the US to have left World War 11 because we felt our troops weren't treated fairly. We could have not entered and let Europe go under Nazi reign, but we would have isolated yourself. 82% of Americans didn't want to enter the War and I'll gladly call them all ignorant. Such as I'll gladly call 17.3 million people ignorant. Just because a mass amount of people support it (Nazism, Racism, Sexism) doesn't make it right. Numbers don't mean anything, facts do. UK and EU are already witnessing problems and that's 2 years before they have even left. I appreciate your passion for democracy, but you were not oppressed in the slightest. The US follows NATO rules and we are not oppressed. Nobody was oppressed. Patriotism blinded 17.3 million people into making an error that will cause the world to have major problems.
@Nellybert , to be fair not many people properly understood the implications of leaving. The leave campaign made implications and false promises to the British public, all which were called out on, but many people just didn't care, my own grandfather voted leave because 'it doesn't effect me' and now shares that he holds have plummeted
@Apple Incorperated, Never underestimate the stupidy off my fellow countrymen, but who knows what way Britain could go as an American it will be fun for you to watch but as some one in the UK it could be awful.
@ChrisCoalman, eh, the remainers made similar idiotic campaign statements, I.e. Leaving the EU would mean no trade with any other country, and even lead to a world war....both statements are idiotic.
If you are looking for a reason why many Brexiters wanted out, the perfect example is the new policy announced today by the EU commission where they are going to ban the 9 most popular tea kettles models....
@dreka, if I felt like I was a slave to that job rather than an appreciated asset then ya. In fact I've done that. I didn't call it "declaring independence" because no one talks like that but it was a very freeing feeling.
@jklyt1, but see... that's the piece of it that doesn't make sense. It's like being in that job so you leave that job to start your own business, but in order to sell any product or travel or do any of the normal things you STILL have to go talk to your old boss about it.
No matter how stupid they may think any of the rules were/are they will still have to abide them if they want to trade with the EU. Now they'll have to negotiate new treaties for everything which will likely give them a worse deal than they were previously getting. Of course some things will be subjective.
For instance many seemed to have a problem with the open border bit. Ok so they follow all the old rules except that part. So what are the repercussions of that? Maybe all the expats that retires to other countries have to leave the EU. The guys that don't want foreigners around and.planned to die in the UK don't care, but I bet a lot of others do. This example is just one very small slice of all the outcomes
@dreka, I ran out of room there so the last bit is a little poorly worded. Lol
@talmet, the leave campaigns most basic promises have been just implications, they've come out and said that themselves i.e there's not going to be a huge change in migration. I have literally never heard of the remain campaign claim about there being a world war and no trade with other countries, and that's without the fact that they wouldn't drive the majority to vote in their favour unlike the false promises of the leave campaign
@ChrisCoalman, Cameron said both things, as did numerous commentators on BBC.
Some leaders have said they aren't going to make huge changes to immigration, other leaders said that they will. In a democracy, you can have those differences of opinion. They'll debate things and come to an answer. The vote to leave was a vote to have the right to have that debate, and not have rules/regulations issued by dictate by unelected people.
@dreka, if/when the U.K. Completely leaves the EU, they only have to listen to the EU when dealing with the EU.
They can make their own trade deals with the US, Russia, China, Japan, etc...maybe they'll get better deals, maybe they'll get worse deals, but either way they won't have to check with the EU and get permission.
And the EU's new plan to ban the most popular tea kettles, irons, and vacuum cleaners won't affect them.
Also, many of the countries who are talking about leaving (Swiss, Norway, Italy, Czech, etc) have been talking about making a "just free trade" group, with no bureaucrats, no courts, etc...
@talmet, I really hope everything works out the way people wish, but in my (limited, certainly) life experience... almost nothing does. Which is why so much is fuxxored right now for so many people in lots of countries. Ideals given shape without regard to reality.
@dreka, completely agree, which is also why the EU is so fuxxored as well
We made a horrible decision if you ask me, but hey that's democracy
@Jake The Legend, you'll be fine in the long-run. That's just how economy works. The EU countries will give you good slap on the wrist for a few years and then go back to being fine with you. I mean if you're as crucial to the EU as they were acting like then there's no way they'll cut ties completely.
@jklyt1, when I first heard about the referendum a few weeks ago I kept telling my family "hey, you guys know that the market here will be affected by that right? Cause it will be."
They were like "no no. No way. That's over in Europe. Won't affect us."
"Alright. Don't say I didn't want you."
Right now I have never felt so right. I must seem like a mad man to my family, I keep going "I knew it."
But unfortunately I did not know this was coming soon enough. For I invested money in.
@Jake The Legend, my British friend (who I'm confident knows more about their politics than us) says the EU is going to shjt. They were just the first to get out.
@wolflover3561, ya I wish it hadn't been so severe, that's really gotta suck. I knew there would be short-term consequences but if I was British I have to say I probably would have voted leave. It's hard to say what the right decision is though because there has never been a group like the EU. I mean it's similar to the early structure of the US but so much larger. Hard to say what will happen over the next decade or so. There's a chance the UK may never actually leave, and there's a chance they leave and come back stronger. So we'll see what happens.
@Edwin VanCleef , the EU has been going to shjt for a while, but everyone seems to be ignoring that now that the popular opinion across the globe is stay. It's hard to keep something like that together when the people running it seem so disconnected from the people voting. Pretty similar to how this election is going for the US.
@jklyt1, The reason that the people running it seem disconnected from the voters is because they are. The people that run the EU are not elected, they are appointed. The elected officials only serve as advisors. It's completely undemocratic. Hell, they even manipulate the politics of its members. When Poland held elections for their parliament, the Conservative party had won most of the seats, a party that was against the EU. The EU then forced Poland to hold a new election for parliament, because they had gotten it wrong the first time.
@CriTiKa1, that's so absurd. I'm getting sick of globalist politics, the only purpose it serves is to keep the people running everything elevated. I got really annoyed when politicians from the US and everywhere except Europe were weighing in and trying to persuade them either way. I am glad to see that the anti establishment sentiment isn't only an American thing right now.
@jklyt1, What's interesting is the difference in the reactions of European national politicians and EU politicians. While the German Chancellor and the French Prime Minister have said that this will take as long as it takes and be done right, the EU Eurocrats have basically spat the dummy and told us to do one immediately.
@Nellybert , well at least local politicians are willing to do it right and not shoot themselves in the foot. Over here a lot of main stream media are making the leave camp seem idiotic and regretful just because they are being cautious and not leaving immediately. I certainly hope things get better for you guys over there soon. I'm actually really upset now because I had a trip planned for London in a week but I decided not to go because of money and now that it's too late money actually would be a big issue. Seems like it would have been an interesting time to visit too.
@jklyt1, Not sure how interesting it would be - the photos of 'demonstrations' all seem to be half a dozen students waving placards while photographers take pictures from odd angles to hide how few people are there. Mostly we're just at work as usual I'm afraid!
Oh, and the weather has been pretty crappy - rain most days.
@Nellybert , man, I live in Houston. Basically it rains whenever it wants despite the forecast and average temperature right now is about 95°(or 35° for you, ya I had to consult Google for that conversion lol) plus it's ussualy like 80% humidity wether it's raining or not
@jklyt1, Okay, it could be worse then - it's steady at around 21c here (70f) and raining at random.
@Nellybert , that sounds wonderful right now, I don't mind rain I'm used to it. But best part is my flight actually left on July 5th, or the day after we celebrate our independence from you guys lol
@jklyt1, i swear we can punish them as much as they can punish us, as we can just fight for taxing, say German cars, then the Germans won't want it so will be kind to us
@Edwin VanCleef , no it wasn't that's the whole problem; the EU was doing fine but the leave campaign flat out lied and portrayed it as a crumbling entity to entice uneducated people into voting their way. A key thing to remember is that prior to the formation of the EU the continent was nearly constantly at war. So yeah we screwed up big time
@jklyt1, only time will tell. And yeah, props to the UK man. I would've said yeah let's get the hell outta here too.
Except that Dobby didn't have to put up with a butthurt Twittersphere arguing that a sock shouldn't count and they should be able to retrospectively change the rules so it didn't count.
I'm not saying that Leave was the right choice (or the wrong one) just that this whole petition thing is annoying me.
@Nellybert , it's also really fake...like 29 thousand signatures came from North Korea...2,500 came from Antartica, regions in Britain with only 30,000 people have 40,000 signatures....
Now I know how the Brits felt when America seceded from the empire.
Brexit was the best decision that the British people have ever made. They even lost their horrible globalist PM in the process. Congratulations Britain, you took a step in the right direction.
@Doctor Krieger, I don't know if that is true. They made the decision largely based on immigration, it will take at least 2 years to leave, by that time the influx from refugees might have stopped. The financial heart of Europe in Lindon will move to the mainland, 100 000 jobs will be lost in the process. The tourist industry, relying on European workers will perish. The UK will probably implode. Scotland and Northern Ireland will try to leave the UK and join the EU. I don't see any gains for nobody...
@frodo from 349, *London
@frodo from 349, oh, look, more baseless fear-mongering. I sure don't see enough of that lately...
@Doctor Krieger, that's ok, bro. If it doesn't jive with your idea, call it baseless fear-mongering, while it was fear mongering that decided the vote in the first place. Live and let live, peace out
Aannnd Northern Ireland and Scotland break off from the UK
Britain is also a super racist elf apparently
Yeah and just like doby we are going to die
So it seems Europe is going to Shït with the EU being that kid who tries to put the triangle block into the square hole, and I heard immigration is pretty bad over there.
Britain is the island... England it the country
@VIP3R0X, it's not Great Britain is the island the UK (The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) is the Nation State.
I haven't been following the news lately and I don't use social media. What's this about?
I believe it will take 2 years for this to actually happen. Soooo they arent free yet.
@Implicit88, the longest it can take is 2 years. They have 2 years to make new trade deals and that sort of thing, and if the EU and UK finish those treaties they can get out whenever. But if they do nothing, then 2 years is the limit.
But they didn't get presented with clothes