Well he had to get his source material somehow
Not condoning it - but - at least he asked first. He didn't force it on anyone, not physically. Still wrong, I understand that they felt like they couldn't say no - but - ugh. You know what I mean??
@mattswife, He didn't rape or forcibly do anything against anyone, I dont get why he's being kinkshamed. He asked, they said yes. You can't claim some kind of sexual assault because you regret or decide you didn't like something AFTER the fact. I hope his career doesn't get hurt by this bs.
@mattswife, He didn't touch them, he just wanted to whack off. It wasn't rape or sexual assault. I don't think he did anything wrong. They also could have said something in the fifteen years it took for him to hit the prime of his career since it happened in 2002. When one of them declined in 2005 he accepted it. They waited till he was really famous and blackmailed him over something he did with consent.
@Barry Dylan, I think it says a lot about how women need to learn how to say no, even if they feel uncomfortable with it. I mean, I've been there, you feel like you *can't* say no - but we've got to learn to
@Barry Dylan, I don't think it was about waiting for him to be famous - it's that now, women are ALLOWED to say "I was raped, I was assaulted". Before the #metoo - we couldn't talk about it.
Guys - please, I beg of you - understand that if a woman spoke about being raped/abused - we got dumped on so hard, it hurts. Physically hurts. I was molested when I was very young - by a family member - and a Guardian Ad Litem told me I need to "get over it" because said family member wants to see my kids. I can't stop my ex from leaving my kids with the person who abused me. If I hadn't spoke up about the abuse - it wouldn't have been an issue, and my kids wouldn't be around them. Anyway. That was a tangent, I'm sorry, but I'm trying to say - if a woman says it happened - BELIEVE HER
@mattswife, I guess Louis doesn't strike me as a assertive person. But if you're not saying no then it is misunderstood which can be dangerous. But if you say yes then yeah it will happen, you can't victimize yourself if you gave verbal consent. They even could have said put it away or simply walked into the hotel bathroom.
@Barry Dylan, what gets me - it was 2 women. They had each other. They weren't alone. We're so much braver when we're in numbers - why stay?
@mattswife, The whole story seems a little off, if this was Dane Cook, I would have an easier time believing but they went to his hotel late night said yes waited fifteen years and made a public point over this whole thing Louis probably had no idea they felt that way and they didn't talk to him about it first. Being molested, sexually harrased or even raped are all serious issues but I feel this closer to a dick pick, than the girls feeling assaulted. Although it was disgusting, it was not the case they are trying to make out of it.
@Barry Dylan, I feel like I'm being disloyal to the chica creed, but, I don't buy their story. It just seems too improbable. Watching a dude jerk it? Icky, yeah. Maybe a little traumatizing. But not like rape or harassment. You nailed - it's like a dick pic. Unwanted but forgettable
@mattswife, 'before #metoo, we couldn't talk about it'?
Was there a law against claiming you were sexually assaulted?
@BigJ, it just wasn't ok. Look at Bill Cosby. How people reacted to that. Hell - go back to Anita Hill. See how she was treated. Brock Turner - "20 minutes of action". We just couldn't.
@mattswife, you're Talking societal backlash then. That was definitely a problem
@mattswife, I sympathize with your story. I've heard similar tales from my own mother, and from several female friends. But this trend deeply concerns me. Absolutely no accusations should be just accepted on face value, regardless of what gender the accuser is. This recent trend of guilty until proven innocent and zero tolerance policies can not be allowed, because they can go both ways.
I don't think most women are aware of just how frequently they hit the men in their lives. Society praises woman on man violence, and holds it up as "asserting yourselves."
How would you like it if you were brought up on assault charges from that time you slapped that one asshole, ten plus years ago?
It's not just about court convictions. These men are losing their jobs because of these accusations, with no proof being brought forth in seemingly many cases.
@mattswife, don't get me wrong. I'm sure MANY of these rape and molestation charges are true. There's a lot of powerful assholes out there willing to take advantage of others, both male and female, and these people deserve to be punished. Nobody should be high enough in status to be above the law.
But we need to be reasonable about this. Being crude is not sexual harassment unless it's ongoing past requesting they stop. Ogling is not sexual assault. It can not be illegal to be an asshole, or else we are all screwed.
@mattswife, this is still harassment as is sending a dick pic. If a woman wants either, she will ask first; if she doesn't ask, she doesn't want it.
@mattswife, I'm sorry if anything bad happaned to you, but we SHOULDN'T automatically believe an accusation just because it's made. Thats horrible advice, and it's one that is destroying men's lives with 0 evidence shown. I've been falsely accused of sexual harassment by a former female friend who got mad I wasnt into her before, and the fallout sucked. So I'm sorry if anything bad happaned to you, but no accusation should be blindly believed.
And society has taken the women's side on these accusations for at least a decade, the #metoo campaign just started targeting Hollywood. And as much as I find it hilarious that Hollywood is eating their own now, the #metoo stories are getting insane and not about sexually harrasement.
@Kounat, but they didn't say yes. He asked and regardless of the answer did it anyway. Yes they did have multiple ways they could have responded. And he had multiple things he could have done instead of what he did
@SirLoveday, But.. they did say yes lol... He invited them to his hotel room and asked and they consented, simple as that. Their feelings of "I felt like I had no choice" are on them entirely. There was a woman who said no, and he didn't because of her answer. What do you mean multiple ways they could have responded...? It's yes or no, he didn't drug them and take them back to his hotel room and violate them, he invited them and then asked if he could enjoy himself. What else could he have done...? How are you gonna tell a man what his fetish should or shouldnt be? Lmao that makes no sense. You cant really help what turns you on, even if it may be deemed wrong in some/all peoples' eyes. His fetish is legal, he's allowed to jack off in front of random females so long as they allow him to. He's not going to random parks and stroking it in public to children or something, calm down.
@Kounat, how did this somehow turn into telling someone about their fetish?? I think you may need to calm down cause you're leaping to things no one has mentioned.
Multiple women have said clearly they never said yes and he did it anyway. Thats why I said they didnt say yes. Those are the women i am referring to.
And when i say multiple ways they could have responded i mean they could have said no, screamed and ran, said nothing and left, got angry and slapped him, said yes, said hell yes and started drooling, or more. But he also had options and chose to jerk off in front of them regardless
@mattswife, I'm sorry that you had to go through what you did, but it still doesn't mean that we should believe every woman that says she was assaulted. Do you know how many cases there are every year of falsely accused sexual assault? Not saying the majority of accusations aren't true, but what I am saying is that not all of them are legitimate
@mattswife, wonder if they ever watched porn......
@Barry Dylan, Off-topic question, but How’s “Other Barry” doin?
@Kounat, My brother had to leave a conversation with his girlfriend a little while ago because he's actually been drugged and raped before. But she was going on about how she was "raped" because she drank too much at a frat party and then agreed to have sex with a guy and regretted it the next day.
@NoLongerLurking, Actually on topic, he's out raping.
@Hugh Mungus Wut, Technically since she was drunk, she couldnt legally consent to it, so it was rape. As dumb as it sounds, anyone that's drunk can't legally have sex because they can't consent to it, even if both parties are drunk. I feel for anyone that's been sexually violated, it's a horrible thing for anyone it happens to. I dont think it applies in the cases with LCK and these women though, I just don't.
@Kounat, I don't like him to begin with but I'm gonna watch him now out of spite
@mattswife, so women can't lie? Me either. Hitler was right and the pope is a lizard. EQUALITY
@SirLoveday, they could have simply left the room. Until such time as the man in this situation attempts to prevent them leaving, no crime was committed, only a socially unacceptable move. This was neither public indecency (because it took place in a hotel room), nor was it sexual assault or harassment.
@Kounat, this is a MASSIVE problem with mentality nowadays. Getting drunk does not remove the responsibility for your own choices. Getting slipped a mickey or getting drugged is VERY different from getting willfully drunk and doing something dumb.
This attitude that women are somehow not responsible for their decisions while drunk is extremely dangerous.
If you get drunk and get behind the wheel of a car you are every bit as liable for the consequences as if you get drunk and go to bed with a stranger.
@hooligans13, it's not sexual harassment if it can be stopped with a single button click. In this instance, the block button.
@Kounat, that's why I used the term "agreed" to have sex and not "consented" those are very different things in my mind for this situation. Although she was drunk and couldn't give consent, in that moment she did agree to have sex with this guy. From his point of view it might not be immediately obvious which "yes" it is, especially if he has also been drinking.
I think @I Are Lebo, summarized my reasoning for the different vocabulary pretty well.
@mattswife, then lets just go to any man that says they were assaulted but no one will believe him just because "a man cant get raped by anyone" or hell just go to the many men that have their lives ruined just because of an allegation that he raped a girl even if it is proven that he didnt do it and she was just lying
@hooligans13, so what happens when a man asks first and they say yes so he thinks all is okay and sends the pic but then she says he took advantage of her when he also has a time where someone else said no and he didnt send the pic. Should he be punished just because he is into that sort of thing and even got consent before doing it?
@Hugh Mungus Wut, not completely. I strongly disagree with the notion that inebriation means being unable to give consent.
@mattswife, I was accused of raping my little sister by one of the guidance counselors at school almost lost everything until the rape kit confirmed she was still a virgin. Sorry but I don't think guilty until proven innocent. I learnt the hard way you just don't believe stuff without evidence.
@mattswife, I was sexually assaulted by one of my boyfriends and very nearly raped by another guy. I was extremely lucky and I was able to get out of there. I definitely haven't been through anything as bad as you but I have had my own stuff. I've known other women that have been raped or assaulted. Unfortunately it happens a lot. Sadly though a lot of women DO lie about it so I have to disagree about believing her. My husband was falsely accused of sexually assaulting someone (before we were dating). He was sort of casually dating this girl in college and one night in her dorm he was tickling her and accidently brushed her boob. That's it. She didn't say anything about it happening good or bad. He didn't even know something had happened until a few days later when the cops showed up. He had to go to court, he has a mugshot, and he has a record all for something he didn't do. She claimed he grabbed her chest when she told him no.
@mattswife, this girl really ruined his life, our lives for a few years. He has lost out on jobs and promotions because of it and it destroyed his confidence and self worth. Next year he can finally get it expunged. Even worse is that he wasn't her only victim. She's done this to several other guys since him. It's people like her who make us not believe the women that come out with legitimate claims. As many stories as there are of actual rape and assault there are also plenty of false ones as well. You can't just "believe her" sadly. Every accusation should be treated as legitimate unless proven otherwise. It's just devastating people out there actually lie about this stuff.
@mattswife, ironically, I wasn't abused by a man. It was my mother. Talk about not being believed, oy. And the whole "men can't be raped" thing, that doesn't fly either. My husband was raped in foster care as a child. So I'm well aware that anyone can be a victim, and anyone can be an abuser. And my ex was accused of sexual harassment, got fired for it. He was a jerk and I don't doubt he'd do it, except the girl was stupid and didn't actually pay attention to him. She claimed "unsolicited back rubs" and "innuendos". My ex wouldn't do anything nice unless he was 100% sure he was getting something out of it. And he wasn't subtle, he was blunt. Nice try, though. The issue is, women who falsely accuse make up like, 0.001%. That's literally the same argument as "0.001% of the time, not wearing a seatbelt is best if you're in an accident, so I won't wear one". Do you wear your seatbelt?
Put it this way - whatever you'd say about someone you don't know, and don't know the situation,
@mattswife, imagine that your mother told you she was raped. Say it to her face.
@mattswife, remember, feminists and SJWs, anything a man can do, a woman can too! Kinda hoping shjt comes out about Lena Dunham. She's a straight up child molester
@mattswife, Matt's wife i don't uderstand why you've gotten so much hate, but just know, people on here are real dicks when they disagree with something. It might not seem this way as most meme/pics are just comical, but as everywhere else, people act like children when they get hurt, even in this community.
@Awesome Naked Taco, it's ok. Everybody hates me anyway. That's not a "pity party" statement, it's the absolute truth. I've never fit in anywhere, and have always always always been shunned once people get to know me. Nothing gets to me anymore because there's nothing left to "get to". Sorry for using this as a place to rant, but fvck everyone who says "There's always someone who cares about you". It ain't true, and it sucks to hear. The only reason I'm not dead is because I can't handle getting yelled at again for failing to do it right. Wish I was kidding. I'm on disability for PTSD so I feel even more like a loser. My fault for speaking up. I won't do it again
@mattswife, First and for most I apologize for the super late reply. But I think this is important to say. Nobody who matters was upset with you for speaking up. This is an open forum, and anyone wants to speak is welcome to and fück anyone who thinks otherwise.
I downvoted your original comment because I disagreed with it. Not because I have any opinion on your worth as a human being.
When people say there’s always someone who cares about you, they aren’t saying they know your connections in life. They way to get people to care about you is to care about them. It must always start with you, and yes, you have to be careful because caring about the wrong people gets you hurt.
I get wanting to check out. I’ve suffered with depression for most of my life now, and were it not for the fact that I absolutely refuse to make my parents have to bury their child I would have killed myself a decade ago.
Walking around with that black cloud over your head and the “everybody hates me” attitude
is actively causing those negative reactions.
Just like nobody cares about someone who doesn’t care about them, nobody likes someone who so clearly doesn’t like them.
I am also on disability pay, but for ASD rather than PTSD. Does that make me a loser in society? Maybe. But I don’t give a flying fück because winner or loser, in the end we’re all worm food.
I think CK will be fine after this. Probably in a few years he'll even be doing stand up about it
@Mhael, I hope you're right. They already canceled a special of his because of this, and I worry it could actually be the end of his career.
We gonna talk about how all of a sudden every man with fame is now guilty of some kind of sexual missconduct...wtf is going on
@Caine, gold digging bitches
I wish I had a hot guy jerk off in front of me..
@MiszMarie, Would you take slightly above lukewarm?
@Jdrawer, idk what that means but yea I guess XD
@MiszMarie, Like, I'm not hot, but I'm attractive enough.
@Jdrawer, as long as you're of age and are into trans it's game XD
@MiszMarie, Do I have to be into it to do it? Money's money, honey.
@Jdrawer, more like 20+ for me XD and when did this turn into me paying XD
@MiszMarie, You gotta pay for any dream, don't you?
@Jdrawer, hahahah .. I don't pay for sex.. sex comes naturally since I'm a walking fetish to a lot of men.. they actually are willing to pay me. So nah I DNT need to pay.. thank you but I'm good :)
@MiszMarie, nice :)
@MiszMarie, that was one pleasantly civil conversation. Nice! 👍🏼
I'm just kidding. I'm not really sexist, I just thought this might get a laugh.
I think most of you need to read his admission of guilt. Search it up. He explains why it was harassment in a way a lot of you don't seem to understand
What did they expect would happen when he invited them into his hotel room?
@Jolee Bindo, and asked if he could take out his penis
@Joseph The Broseph, and began to stroke his penis
Could be worse. He could've jacked off in front of two females why watching 9/11 videos.
I don't care for Louis C.K. and I think he deserves whatever social consequences he gets for his acts of sexual deviance, but unless he held money/work or compromising information over their heads to make them agree to it, he's done nothing illegal.
@Doctor Krieger, it was one of those situations where it was implied career suicide to say something about it. Same as the actresses finally speaking out against Weinstein and apparently everyone else in Hollywood
@Cruxio , implied coercion is a blanket statement that can be used to justify literally anything. Feminists and other social justice types have been saying "just say no" for years now. If you don't resist, how the hell can anyone know you are being pressured into doing something you don't actually want to do? Nobody is a mind reader, and being rich or powerful doesn't change that.
Yes, Weinstein was a scumbag who pressured women into sexual acts, but try to see this from the other side. Imagine you are a wealthy man who wants to get laid. Should you be terrified that any woman you flirt with is going to sue for rape because "she didn't think she could say no"?
This is an impossible standard.
There's a lot of people here defending what he did as not a big deal. Why don't you go wack it in front of a random woman and see how well that works out? He's hilarious. Only comedian I like better is Patton Oswalt, but what he did isn't okay
@Cruxio , if you did that sure it would be terrible but he didn't, he asked and they said yes so he did and there's even a lady who said no cause she is married and he apologized instantly
@Redj350Z, but they're not the only two to say he did something like this. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt with those two, because they said they thought he was kidding, so that's partially on them. But the other women are different stories
@Cruxio , what stories are there for him forcing women to do anything? The closest I saw was he asked then whippd it out before the girl could say no, but he never forced a girl to do anything
@Redj350Z, first the issue of consent in this situation is constrained by his power over them. This is why pretty much every corporation in the world bans dating between a superior and a subordinate. Because even if you say yes, you might be sayin it because you feel forced to in order to keep your job.
Secondly multiple women have said clearly they didnt say yes and he did it anyway
@SirLoveday, unless he physically prevented them leaving, that argument does not hold water. Louis CK is a comedian, not a politician or a businessman. He has no power over anyone that they do not give him.
Corporations ban dating between superiors and subordinates because it causes bias in the superior. It has nothing to do with an imbalanced power couple, it has to do with the company not wanting to second guess whether their supervisor promoted his SO because of exemplary performance or if it was just because they're dating.
The comments has just gona complete apesh!t
You've got to admit, this is told in CK's delivery style to a T. Good job, OP.
Follow the money, I believe he's still top five wealthiest comedians in the world (atleast). So here we are with the weakest case ever against poor Louie... the man whose life is always bad no matter how rich or famous.
Can someone enlighten my unsocialised ass as to who this is talking about?
@Jipz, Louis C.K.
One of the greatest alt musicians of a generation as well (Jesse Lacey of Brand New). However, they committed the acts knowing how terrible it was. The consequences are all on them. It sucks unbelievably for fans, but it’s not anyone else’s burden to bear.
One of the greatest alt musicians of a generation as well (Jesse Lacey of Brand New). However, they committed the acts knowing how terrible they were. The consequences are all on them. It sucks unbelievably for fans, but it’s not anyone else’s burden to bear.
@Douche Amore, sorry this was posted twice, I don’t know how to delete comments.
@Douche Amore, when I need to delete comments, I go into edit and replace the comment either with a . or with a [comment deleted].
I'm not sure I understand your comment though. Whose burden is it, the fans or the celebrity?
@I Are Lebo, Thanks!
I was trying to say that the celebrities did the acts and should therefore pay for it. I see a lot of fans who take it too personally like they have to feel morally responsible for what someone else does.
@Douche Amore, that makes some sense, but my problem with this trend is that many of the alleged events are 30+ years old, way beyond the statute of limitations for legal recourse, which means that many of these men are being tried via social media. They are losing jobs and careers over unproven accusations.
Even if 90% of the claims are accurate (which I HIGHLY doubt), that is too many innocent men having their lives ruined.