This gives me an idea.
@Donald Trump, hahahahahah this made me laugh pretty hard. I support your decision making
@Donald Trump, I laughed pretty hard in class
@Donald Trump, But how many liberals can you realistically expect to be taken in by Japan?
@SimonPetrikov, *North Korea
@Donald Trump, do it
60 years ago the president was Eisenhower, republican, and including him there have been 12 presidents till now.
7 of which were republican.
I'm not American, so I'm probably missing something quite obvious,
So please tell me.
@add eggs then stir, two party politics, man. You don't have to be right, you just have to hate the other side.
@add eggs then stir, I think they might be talking about representatives or mayors for Detroit/Detroit area
@add eggs then stir, who the president is doesnt matter too much on the local level. The city goverment has been left wing for decades.
@add eggs then stir, the president doesn't run each individual city in the entire nation. That's the job of mayors. We have three tiers of government: Federal, State, and Local.
Also, yes, Keynesian policies shìtwrecked Detroit. It's basically a warzone-tier city right now.
Detroit is like that because US auto makers went full capitalist and moved all their factories to Canada and Mexico. Facts matter.
@Xsgiff, thats definitely been a factor, but its still on the local goverment to adapt or die.
@Oujosh29, No...? It’s not the city’s fault the largest employers couldn’t make cheaper or better products. The exact same thing that happened in Detroit happened on smaller scales in cities and townships all across the Midwest, throughout what’s known as the “Rust Belt.” These places failed because the people there relied on a single industry and a system that, they thought, protected American business and punished foreign businesses. Saying Detroit’s city politics caused the decline of population is like saying the street planning at Pompeii destroyed the city, by the way, most metro areas are blue, so it’s not like Detroit is the big Democrat experiment, making this utterly pointless, because the cities with the highest GDP are also blue.
@Kalam1ty, i never said it was the goverment fault Detroit sucks because their liberal, but it is the city goverments responsibility to adapt to change. Times change, states/cities must change or face the consequences. Texas moved away from being dependent on oil to becoming a major hub for tech and business headquarters. Detroit didnt adapt, so whining about how its not their fault might make them feel better, but it doesnt change how crappy detroit is
@Oujosh29, It has nothing to do with political parties. Hundreds of counties and cities failed because of their reliance on the auto industry, and most were red counties and cities. Detroit is diversifying, they’ve seen large increases in the business tech fields and a slow return of the automotive industry. The problem was the real estate crash, combined with increased Michigan property taxes. The only people who can leave Detroit are people with surplus anyway, meaning the auto workers are still there and unemployed. Also, comparing the entirety of Texas and Detroit is not a congruent explanation.
@Kalam1ty, again, I'm not blaming the liberal ideology, but the goverment didnt adapt to the changing economic times that happened over decades. To say they dont have some responsibility is naive. How much did the citys goverment try to attract new business? What did they do to try and transition their economy?
@Oujosh29, The changing economic times occurred in a span of about three years. At least with oil, Texas has had 50+ years to diversify. American cars went from being cheap, powerful cars, to being cheap, but not as cheap as better-performing Japanese cars, and powerful, but not as powerful as German cars, which cost the same. That’s mainly because of the oil rationing and the legalization of mass importation from Japan and Germany.
@Kalam1ty, Hey!! Don't you dare dis American cars. Ford, Dodge, Chevy are all doing well okay??? Dont hate on them, they're doing their very best.
@Mhael, he's not hating on American cars, he's simply stating what's factually true, foreign cars were (and may still be) better in regards to performance and price-point
@AIbert Finestein, were! Past tense! Look up new 2018 American car specs. They're performing as good as if not much better. (Though a bit low on fuel economy)
Prime examples: Dodge demon for drag races, 2018 Zl1 1LE for track, dodge viper, Ford GT, the upcoming 2019 corvette ZR1. All of them provide performance on the level of German car, most are cheaper than your average German performance car.
Best example is the ZL1, 60k USD, but ranks 17th world wide on the nurburgring.
@Mhael, personally, I couldn't care less about cars, and I don't want to get into a big argument.
I was just trying to explain Kalam1ty's intent. He wasn't saying American made cars are (or were) "bad", just the economic stress that fell on the American car companies that just about destroyed Detroit.
@AIbert Finestein, heathen! Cars are life, cars are love!
@Mhael, all I care about is that it gets me from point A to point B with decent milage.
It just doesn't interest me. And that's ok. People like different things. Tell me, do you want to hear about the latest strides in web design and how developers and making the internet more accessible to the visually impaired?
Cause that's what I'm interested in, but I realize that's not everyone enjoys it.
(I also realize you're likely joking.)
@Xsgiff, yes... After Dems raised corporate tax rates to some of the highest in the world...
and I'm not talking strictly Detroit... you reply on one industry for too long and this happens...
but I wouldn't blame the companies for moving to where the economics are better for them.
@Oujosh29, I'm not sure if you've been to downtown but it's nice there. I mean not the safest place in the world but it's still not as bad. And I'll be honest, it's the the governor's fault state is operating like a piece of crap. But I think you should see how Detroit is now compared to a decade ago.
@Mhael, I hate to break it to you but dodge is no longer American.
@Xsgiff, why did they do that? Facts matter. Over regulation and increasingly punitive tax structure. Facts matter. We drove the business away because unions made it IMPOSSIBLE to compete with foreign built cars. Facts matter
@AIbert Finestein, “domestic” cars are absolutely defined by (over) regulation and union controlled labor.
Same thing is happening now with fast food and grocery stores. Demand for “living wage” to perform entry level job will make companies adapt. Cashierless checkout is becoming more and more prevalent. Not because companies are evil, but because they are forced to.
Ford, Dodge and GM left Detroit on a business decision forced by over regulatory government - both Detroit and Federal.
@Kalam1ty, I'm blue daba Dee daba die
@big freedom, It wasn’t the unions, it was the combined monopoly of the steel companies.
@Kalam1ty, right. It’s always 1 single thing that completely changes and entire industry 🙄
@big freedom, I mean, you literally said that unions killed the American car industry.
@Kalam1ty, I never said literally. And I definitely never said it was the “only thing”
Subtlety is not your strong suit is it.
Over regulation is what allowed the steel monopolies. Government chose the winners and losers. AND Unions drove cost of labor so high that in order to compete American companies had to move to neighboring countries.
These are not opinions, they’re well established facts.
@big freedom, but the fact is, it’s not like General Motors had any intention to change their car design. One of their lead designers designed basically a precursor to a Toyota Corolla, one of the most popular cars 10 years later, and he was fired. The one attempt that they’ve made was when they made an aluminum engine block with steel pistons, which reduce the weight greatly, but also have the unintended effect of making it unusable during winter. Aluminum would contract, sticking the Pistons inside the engine block. This is not simply an issue of cost, this is an issue of bad engineering. The cars were not just too expensive, gas was too expensive for your average American to be filling up every 25 miles.
@big freedom, also, the steel industry got wealthy on its own, they offered a very necessary service, the issue came in where they were in each other‘s pockets to the level where they had agreements of regions where they could operate in. That has nothing to do with government regulation, that has everything to do with allowing businesses to create places in which they can have monopolies. The steel company was so deep in the pocket of General Motors that they told GM not to make their car bodies out of aluminum, that it was just a phase, and GM executives went along with it. Finally, when GM turned around and started to make cars out of aluminum, they had to get their aluminum, produced in Japan, through the steel companies, because the steel companies owned GM. ￼
@Kalam1ty, also contributing factors. Good example. There was a lot of great designs, up to the late 60s. Then they didn’t pivot fast enough when gas spiked.
But it’s hard to say what they could’ve done if they could’ve afforded to be, and were allowed to be, innovative. It’s impossible to prove a negative.
@big freedom, my uncle was a mid exec for inland steel, he was the one person in his entire office, who supported converting some of their factories to the production of aluminum. Most were convinced that their vice grip on their largest customer, General Motors, was sufficient to keep profit going. And the executives at General Motors who my uncle worked with believed the same thing.
@Kalam1ty, never underestimate the power of people to go with “tried and true” and sink a company
@Mhael, talking about American in name cars? Or American made cars. Because Toyota has the most American made cars in the US. American made as in. Most of the parts and assembly is done right here in America by Americans. I live right next to one of their manufacturing plants and have family that works there.
@big freedom, Anytime someone says they shouldn’t change their business practice with the times. Ask them how that worked out for Blockbuster and other companies
@Kalam1ty, I honestly don't believe 105 people even read your comment let alone liked it
@Xsgiff, in reality, dems taxed them to death while unions demands for unreasonable pension and other benefits raised costs to unsustainable levels. Facts matter
@Xsgiff, good point but I would insert that it was the lawmakers in these cities implementing high taxes to support their programs that made it more profitable for them to move to Mexico and canada.
... this is what happens when a place population explodes due to an industry, then those same businesses leave, all wealthy enough get out move away, leaving only the poorest of the people, and greatly reduced total population leaving tons of infrastructure utterly useless and it all falls into disrepair
@AntHill, People fail to realize the Detroit is just largest example of this. Detroit has a rags to riches to rags story and it’s entirely because of the auto industry. The only people who can afford to leave are the executives and other people with surplus. The people left are highly skilled, very well trained professionals in the automotive industry who can’t find work because there is none in Detroit.
Did liberals “take over” Detroit Exactly sixty years ago somehow? Like was there a military coup sponsored by Whole Foods in 1948 that history class just never covered or something? Or was that just the arbitrary number turning point USA (look them up they’re scumbags) had to use to create their false narrative of compairing a long complex history of economic instability to “liberals just don’t know bizzness hurr durr”
@liberachi , liberals are better
businessmen see Bill Gates. also its 2018 not 2008 my dude and the mayor 60 years ago was a republican.
@ Heracles, I mean on the one hand you agree with me but the fact that you noticed my math was wrong hurts my pride more than I feel like it should
@liberachi , I'm sorry. :c
@ Heracles, no biggie I’m just a HUUUUUGE puss
@liberachi , at some point we all are my dude. Regardless of political affiliation see GOP voters burning Obama in effigy and protesting and compare with people protesting Trump.
@liberachi , amen
Things will get better once Robocop hits the streets
Who let this politic get into my funny!?
Let’s be fair here, Nagasaki didn’t even get the worst bomb
@YUNoJump, they were both pretty terrible. I feel like comparing the two is a moot point when there was just so much death, destruction, and suffering
@AIbert Finestein, well yeah, that’s true. I was trying to think of a reason that economic revitalisation would be harder than just a cleanup, but then I realised just how much you have to do to fix a nuclear explosion. The radiation cleanup in particular.
This is happening in CA, it's just taking longer because we have a broader tax base to sustain us longer. But, that too will eventually run out. Our roads, bridges, and sewers are crumbling and antiquated. They just passed an additional $500 billion gas/car tax to fix infrastructure issues but none of it is req'd by law to be used for that. The trick that our state govt uses, they tell a sob story to win support for taxes, but they don't tell the public that it all goes into the general fund, which can be used for anything. in our state it mostly goes to public employee pensions, welfare, and enviro projects. The amount they spend on what the money is actually intended for is often negligible if anything. Yes, our state legislature has been liberal for decades. This is not to say that conservatives would have run things perfectly, but they would likely have different issues to deal with since they have diff't priorities. Both sides waste tax dollars, just on diff't stuff. Thx, Facebook
Get the politics tf out of the funny
Except that in 1958 the mayor of Detroit was a republican.
Ha ha ha, I’m drunk on rum.
God these comments show how polarized everyone is nowadays. New York City was saved by a Democrat who was financially conservative. If you’re going to go after the left/liberals/Democrats your critique should be that there is not enough diversity of thought on that side of the political spectrum currently.
Detroit is like this because people suck.
Welfare state bois
I work for the city. We're working on it, actually making great progress. It's just the outer areas that look like this still.
Detroit soon to be a modern day ghost town