#1 can’t stop won’t stop
"We've flattened the curve, and therefore the curve will not return. We are immune to the curve."
"... THAT'S NOT HOW THE CURVE WORKS!"
@SimonPetrikov, nonono see were just trying to flatten it in the vertical direction, once we reach a slope of infinity we won't have to worry anymore
@SimonPetrikov, That's not how this works! That's not how anything works!
@SimonPetrikov, thats the least flat curve Ive seen
@SimonPetrikov, And just think, the states that are having the outbreak, like CA and FL never really leveled off in the first place with new cases before reopening... They didn't follow the 3 or 4 requirements the president put forth for reopening. Just saying, those states kinda deserve it
Weird, about a week after may 24th the infections spike... wonder what started on the 25th...
@thrawnfett, all of the data on covid has been misrepresented by the media. Covid testing is far more available now as well as the fact that hospitals are testing everyone admitted regardless of the reason they went in the first place. So obviously the confirmed cases are going to skyrocket. That brings me to the hospitalization from covid, everyone admitted is getting tested regardless of why they went, so hospitalization rates are only high because of that. Now lets talk covid deaths. The death toll has been confirmed to be inflated by anyone even having covid regardless of cause of death. Hospitals get more money in grants for a covid patient/death so its hard to even say whether or not a hospital is being honest. And the final point im going to make, if infection rate has exploded, why is the media not covering the spike in deaths? Because there isnt one. Imagine the media covering the infection rate of the flu and its death toll.
@MMSieBreeze, I agree with most of that but the spike of deaths comes after the spike of cases. It’s not an insta-kill. You get it... suffer a bit... then die... give it some time for the death stats to show.
Again, I agree with most of the rest of what you said.
@Canis Arktos, the true statistics say otherwise, the survival rate is so much higher than the death rate that is laughable...the new numbers for infection are solely due to the widening of testing... as before you had to have all the symptoms, now you need only to ask. So obviously the rate of infection is going to skyrocket..
Meanwhile deaths are at a constant or wven dropping
@MMSieBreeze, testing has also increased in European countries.... and cases are STILL going down.
No,they wouldn't. Just because you can read, doesn't mean you understand. Which they don't.
@El Batman, understand what?
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, no idea, some letters an shít. Tldr
@Drunk Pantless Uncle, guys, I think he might be making fun of us amuricans! Grab your nearest full-auto and let's git im!
@theshadosnipe, whose car we takin
@theshadosnipe, rabble rabble!
Population density has a lot to do with that as well.
Im about to bring a little common sense to this hatefest. America started mass testing, we are the only country that has tested half our population. We want to know how many people are asymptomatic carriers. So yes that means our numbers are higher. Yet our deaths are dropping, and death rate is plummeting. Once again we are leading the way in research, not hiding our numbers.
@AverageIdiot, thank you, was about to say this but I knew someone else also had to have a brain.
I know a lot of people are blaming this on the protests, but protestors were a very small minority of the population, and I’m mot saying that doing something like that is the smartest thing in the world, but this spike is far more likely due to the many people who are traveling now that things opened back up. I’m from Ohio and legit half my town is on vacation in South Carolina or Florida. Not the best idea rn
@ didNazithatcoming, so it is just coincidence that roughly 2 weeks after the mass protests where no social distancing was practiced that we see massive spikes?
@ThatGuyx79, yesish. It’s also a couple weeks after they opened bars and restraints a lot of places. It was a perfect storm of people that make bad choices.
@ didNazithatcoming, it’s not just the traveling, it’s the fact that indoor dining was brought back in many “vacation” states that need the tourism money. Protests and beach goers aren’t helping but they’re not doing nearly as much damage as people in enclosed spaces with droplets floating around for as long as a day, at least the events going on outside tend to have lower transmission rates as the virus isn’t going around essentially in a small, densely packed space. Additionally I’ve seen more people at protests and outside wearing masks, whereas people who are going into stores/restaurants already seem to not give a fück.
@ didNazithatcoming, this is very true. I live in a tourism town and we are expecting massive crowds on the 4th. We are not closing even though we shut down for labor day for 4 days.
@ThatGuyx79, yeah but the virus has cropped back up in huge numbers in places where there weren't even protests. Sure, they helped spread it, but they make up a small number of cases spread. It was also two weeks after memorial day
@ didNazithatcoming, it’s definitely both. The protesters are an application to the spike, just as much as the travelers (not by numbers, but by respective responsibility). I think a lot of people are displeased with media saying the protests weren’t likely to cause an increase in cases. But virtually anything else will.
@fallingback09, this!!! Of course the protest are also at fault, it's just logical. You had the people protesting to open the aconomy, then you had memorial day traveling, the protests, and partial re-openings. We never finished the first wave.
@mayora13, the other piece is that, of course the US will have more cases. We were given the most freedom compared to most countries who face complete lockdowns while we still could walk around and visit with friends and family at our own risk (note: i know some states were stricter than others so this is an in general statement). We also spiked up in amount of testing. Just because we lead in cases doesn’t mean we actually do. It could mean either we test and know more about our numbers, or we actually lead in cases. The thing is, we don’t have a solid control to compare numbers too, and raw data doesn’t tell us enough.
@fallingback09, germany is a pretty good comparison actually they have pretty close to the same percentage of test as we do compared to their population of course.
you also have to compare the percentages of tests that come back positive to find the spread rate.
@Runnin with scissors, yea that is true. But when it comes down to it. Comparing the two, and saying we are just the worst country to handle a pandemic isn’t necessarily the truth. It’s just hard to make a true comparison when we cant get numbers right. Especially when it comes to deaths. We know those numbers were fudged.
@fallingback09, I'm not sure they are fudged. Send me something with a lot of confirmation and studies and I'd agree but seems like we are pretty bad. Hell my touristy town still has all the beaches and parks open plus restaurants. We arent the worst country in the world but should we be doing a whole heck of a lot better? Simple answer, yes.
@Runnin with scissors, hospitals have been diagnosing without testing, and saying death from COVID while it should be death with COVID, all to incentivize their hospital with money. I can’t give exact statistics as to how off the numbers are, but it is guaranteed that the constant presented numbers are. I’ll see what I can find in news/links.
@fallingback09, I'd prefer a study and not news unless its NPR because realistically they at least try sometimes.
Couldnt covid also be the cause? Like pretty sure if you are getting close to dying and then you get sick means you are going to die. Usually you'd have mor time but getting sick when you are already not doing to good typically kills you or at least makes things way worse.
@Runnin with scissors, of course. I know news won’t site their stuff sometimes. I’m a realist when it comes to that. The only issue is that some healthcare workers (most often nurses or PAs) have come out saying they were told to lie on the death reports. Now it’s hard to claim credibility on that but some of that may be taken into consideration. Even the CDCs guidance is so vague as how to count something as a COVID death. I’ll try to find something tomorrow if I remember, since I’ve been celebrating (drinking) the 4th all day today so I’m not too zoned into my research.
"It seems that cases increase when there's mass gathering."
-us before kneely killy boi
"You can gather in mass gatherings as long as you protesting injustice."
-us before militant threats of terrism
"Covid was slowed by mass protest. Because people was to scared to leave their house. The up tick we see is from the Memorial Day protests."
-Colorado sun on June 30
Remember everyone: protests don’t cause more cases. Only businesses trying to make a living. It’d be kinda racist if any of ya tried to say otherwise. #BLM
@Hockman9, are protests gatherings of large amounts of people? Because an increase in the number of people gathering without social distancing will cause more cases. Also, because the media is afraid to criticize the protests out of pure fear, they are not playing the protests down, they are also not actively recommending that people shouldn’t protest, because they’re afraid blm will think they’re being racist. So people listening to the news are no longer hearing “it’s unsafe to gather in groups” and are becoming more brazen in their lack of care about covid.
Tell me how that’s racist.
@orion55, I know this is just text, but I hope you could hear the dripping amounts of sarcasm I had my statement lol I agree with what you’re saying.
@Hockman9, well now I see the sarcasm. Luckily my comment doesn’t detract all that much from the intended effect
U.S. tested more people. Hence the higher count. Imagine how many in Europe have it without it being counted.
@Chula Charlie, eh depends on the country. Many countries had testing earlier and more often than the us. I mean... not Italy. But some of them. And now that much of Europe has very few people sick the need for testing drops off. Ultimately no matter how you look at, the us has more cases per capita than basically anywhere else, especially after recent spikes
@danciestlobster, more reported cases. Didn't Sweden just ignore the threat?
Can we have a national health care system now? No.... ok. (Treatment drug for covid- 60 bucks any other country, the U.S, it’ cost 3000..... even though tax payers paid for the research (70 million )). Yup. This health care system is awesome.
@Monter408, where did you find this? I believe you, but those are heavy claims and I want to be able to back myself up.
*chants* We’re number 1! *sobs softly into mask because there are no gigs at which to go forth and gig at*
As an American, I find this....hilarious.
Covid aint shjt.
Yeah indection rate is up
But lethality is not
Meaning it aint shjt
@MMSieBreeze, btw,death count and death rate are not the same..
@MMSieBreeze, grabs ar-15 spray painted with “Covid” on the side, well looks like im at to the count
@MMSieBreeze, just because the death rate is becoming less and less, doesn't mean the hundreds of thousands of deaths weren't because of people's stupidity
@Atomicking74, its the same as any other illness that can kill those susceptible to them. The main group being the elderly. A common cold can kill the elderly. Dont just chock it up to negligence. A certain portion of the population is ALWAYS going to be weak to an infection or illness.
@MMSieBreeze, You just keep saying things so I dont have to, and i thank you for it *tear*
@MMSieBreeze, I mean you are right, but for those who do have it and not die, in a lot of cases there is still permanent lung damage or at the very least an absolutely terrible couple weeks of recovery and medical bill. If I can wear a mask to save someone else going through some part of that in an already lousy year I sure will
@Atomicking74, yea but if you have covid and are crossing the road and get hit and killed by a car... You died of covid.
@danciestlobster, to that point, some experience influenza about the same way. The only difference is that this strain attacks the lungs much like Pneumonia. So it can be pretty brutal on your lungs.
@MMSieBreeze, you do also understand we have never been mandated or legal required to wear masks and act the way we have been and many who are more susceptible haven't been going out, and we still have the numbers we do? This is not the common cold and it isnt just the US or some liberal thing it's the whole world and every influenza or viral doctor saying it's a big deal globally and agreeing that its really bad.
If only we knew what happened throughout the month of July that could have possibly led to the rise in cases.
When i was little my mom used to take me to play with lil kids that were sick and had chicken pox so i could build up an immunity. Maybe thats what the govt is trying to do to us now. Then theyll take us for ice cream
@sikkdog, $1200 ice cream
I love how the US is in red because the people who are responsible for the numbers are red voters 😂
It's almost like when you start testing people en Masse you're going to end up with a lot more confirmed cases
Haters gonna hate
The us is 4x bigger than them and has more people...No shjt we are gonna have more
@MinkeyObama , the US is not 4x larger than the EU, the EU Has almost 700 million people, double that of the US at 350 million. I love that someone downvoted this, like this isn’t a verifiable fact, just google it ffs
That graph appears to be using raw numbers instead a per capita bases. Meaning that graph is extremely misleading.
@ThatGuyx79, like it matters? The US has done a TERRIBLE job at responding the the outbreak and you know it.
@Chifilo, Yes, misleading information does matter.
@ThatGuyx79, this isn’t the only graph that exists and some do show per capita. Go find one of those and see how great we’re doing.
I DONT CARE. I HAVE MY FREEDOM FROM MASKS AND NEEDING TO BE CONSIDERATE TO THE OLD AND VULNERABLE
No way... The US is the world's 3rd most populated country and has more cases than Europe?? Retards on this app.
Woo!! I've seen this one. I was so lost there for a min
I meant to upvote!!!!
Merica going for that hour glass figure have fun being flat EU
I brought popcorn for these comments