Dropping the bomb
I mean, they started it
@salty joe, i know but... Two atomic bombs
@PurpleKnight, someone got a 50 kill streak
@PurpleKnight, considering they didn't surrender after the first one, sure, might as well
@Oujosh29, and I'm pretty sure the US gave them, like, a LOT of warnings. They knew it was coming
@salty joe, The first bomb can be justified but the second one was completely out of revenge and was not needed.
@Pharaoh, no the second one was because the Japanese didn't surrender after the first one. So the US figured that if they hit the Japanese again, they would think that we had a stockpile of the bombs and surrender then and that's what happened. The US dropped the bombs because they wanted to prevent a land assault that would cost the lives of a lot more people on both sides.
@Pharaoh, the point of the bombs was to make Japan surrender. They didn't after the first, so they dropped the second. How do you see that as nothing but revenge? It's pretty simple.
@Oujosh29, it was 3 days after the first one lol it was more to make the soviets think we had a lot more. Japan was done, they were lying about their forces and this was evident in that time. Even some of military generals in that time said there was no reason to drop the second bomb. Japan had no allies, we were bombing their cities, and they were running out of supplies. They couldn't go any further. Japan had a meeting to surrender after the first bomb and it split 50-50 but the second meeting was undergoing the day we dropped the second bomb. They probably would've surrendered the same day without dropping another bomb.
@Pharaoh, that's complete fantasy. The Japanese refused to surrender after the first one, so there was no reason to wait. The Japanese had fortified the island and vowed to fight to the end. Millions were going to die, or we could drop the second bomb. Even then they barely surrendered after a failed military coup. The Japanese were done as far as offensive force, but they were completely committed to fight the Americans tooth and nail defensively.
@Oujosh29, they were going to surrender before the 1st one was dropped. The US just wanted to test out an atom bomb and deny the USSR any claim to japan
@LeafOnTheW1nd, complete bull.
@Oujosh29, dude I studied this for five goddamn years I know my stuff
@LeafOnTheW1nd, so do I. There is 0 historical backing that Japan was on the verge to surrender before the nukes. At all. There's more evidence of big foot. Japan was determined to fight the americans, were NOT going to surrender, and only after the 2nd nuke did the emperor give up. Even then, a military coup almost stopped the surrender. These are facts.
@Oujosh29, don't waste your breath. They don't understand a damn thing about war or how fanatical a group of people under the right or wrong leadership can be. Some people only look at it as "loss of human life". Most people don't realize that those cities were targeted due to the importance they were to Japan's military. Hiroshima having a massive garrison and Nagasaki being a massive seaport. It was unfortunate but necessary.
@Pharaoh, Wait, if they were going to surrender before the first one was even used, then why did the first vote to surrender after it was used fail? That doesn't make any logical sense. If they were going to surrender before the first one, there wouldn't have been that 50-50 split after it.
@CriTiKa1, the first vote was after the first one. Didn't say they were going to surrender before first atomic bomb. It was a 50-50 spilt because part of Japan wanted to surrender, part of it didn't and part of it wanted a peace treaty.
@CriTiKa1, It was said the US could've won without the atonic bomb and with the same year.
@Oujosh29, the Japanese were aware that they had two options either surrender to the US or keep fighting and summarily destroy Japan post war, when the us issued their threat they gave them 24 hours to surrender before dropping Fat Man, further more the US did not attack a strategic target but rather a civilian centre, they did not issue a second warning for Little Boy and the Japanese had no way of knowing what had happened since Fatman had wiped out all communications. The atom bombs were war crimes committed by the US and in spite of the litany of Japanese war crimes (from slave labour and torture to mass rape and genocide) it is indefensible to murder non-combatants
@LeafOnTheW1nd, Okay, nuking is bad and civilian deaths are terrible - we agree on those points.
But both were strategic targets, if they just wanted to kill people why not drop it in central Tokyo? Also, if someone drops a nuke on you and says 'surrender or we'll do it again' do you really need 3 days (the time between the two bombings) to answer that one?
As for killing civilians - damn near every soldier who would have died fighting a land war to make Japan surrender was a civilian before the war, didn't choose to be a soldier, and became a civilian again after the war. The US government had a duty to protect the lives of their men and so had to prioritise their lives over those of the Japanese. It's horrible, it sucks, and it shouldn't happen - but what part of war doesn't that apply to?
@LeafOnTheW1nd, 1: If they were war crimes, the Japanese would say so. Remember on '15 when Obama went to Hiroshima and conservatives were losing their minds that he was gonna apologize for dropping the bombs, and the Japanese were all "We don't even *want* apologies, we understand why it happened"? That was a thing. They teach that it happened and that it was necessary.
2: The Japanese didn't just refuse to surrender, they continued military offensives. It wasn't like they were just sitting around, chilling out doing nothing. They were still fighting in China and the Pacific. And, let us not forget, performing horrible acts of torture and mad science.
3: Japan is a tiny place. Bombs in general and nukes in particular were really big. It's not like they could target just an air base. The strategic targets were near civilian centers. Kinda like how military bases in the US are near civilian centers. (see: Pearl Harbor)
@LeafOnTheW1nd, Just a side note, no such thing as Japanese non-combatants at the time. Quite virtually every last man, woman, and child was fanatical and dead-set on killing every American they saw, or failing that killing themselves (just like when we freed several of the Pacific Islands and got a bunch of suicides over the cliff edges from the 'non-combatants'). In other words, not a war crime.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, they were so ready to fight to the end they had started giving out rifles the the citizens and told them that we will either win or lose everyone. I know this cause we did some research cause my dad owns one the guns they gave out.
Grave of the fireflies ;-; it made me cry pretty hard. The start and the ending were the only touching parts
Don't wake the giant
Oh is that what you mean?
'Merica: Challenge accepted