Remember, spreading your legs slightly too far apart on the subway is evil enough to be publicly shamed and called a monster, but treating women like property in some countries is totally acceptable and nothing should be done about it.
@FP Waiter, remember, feminists getting annoyed at manspreading is annoying, but people defend a guy who said that women are biologically incapable of doing tech work.
Women being oppressed in other countries sucks, but it's far more of a realistic goal to decrease the prevalence of this kind of misogyny in America then to let women drive in saudi arabia
@Depressed Panda, Jesus that second paragraph is like reading a Tumblr smoothie, are you ok? And if you actually read the Google employee’s memo (I’m assuming that’s what you’re referencing) that’s not what he said at all. He said that Google should only hire the best, and if the best is male or female, that’s perfectly fine. However men and women tend to pick different jobs because of different characteristics, and there’s nothing wrong with that either. We shouldn’t push qualified men out to meet a criteria, just as we wouldn’t push a qualified female teacher or nurse out to meet a criteria.
All that said, just treat people equally and be good to each other. People are different, let individuals make autonomous decisions that floats their goat.
@FP Waiter, ok sorry. I didn't read it. My comment was based on hearing about it secondhand. That wasn't a great example.
I still stand by my point though. An american feminist working in America can't really do anything about oppression in foreign countries.
@Depressed Panda, also if you’d like to talk actual imperial gender inequalities, let’s talk about the male suicide rate. Let’s talk male homelessness rate. Let’s talk about how men make up over 90% of workplace deaths and generally fill the most dangerous jobs. It’s easy to argue against the “glass ceiling” but there’s also a glass coffin that many women never have to think about. Don’t see feminists clambering to get 50% men and women working in sewage, construction, farming, etc. Lets talk about how easy it is to lie about a rape accusation and ruin a mans life. Let’s talk about how few resources there are for men who’ve been sexually abused. Let’s talk about men receiving longer and harsher sentences for the same crime with comparable criminal history as women. Let’s talk about how men lose custody of their kids in 80%+ of divorce cases. Is the world picture perfect for women? Of course not. The world is a f*cked Up place. But the world isn’t roses and sunshine for the average man.
@FP Waiter, I wasn't making any of those points. Feel free to argue however much you want about the principles of feminism. I just feel like it's important to not dismiss feminism as a whole all the time, so I felt like saying something about this.
@Depressed Panda, im sorry, that rant was a bit over ambitious. It’s a topic I’m passionate about because I see a lot of hurting men in a world that refuses to acknowledge them. I think feminism has gotten us a long ways, and I think 1st and 2nd wave feminism overall did a lot of good. Modern incarnations of feminism tend to be more divisive than helpful, thus the friction we see.
@Depressed Panda, that's not even what the email said, you're just regurgitating bullshït
@FonzerellaSticks, and you didn't read my very next comment. Nice job.
@Depressed Panda, you're still a moron for using it as an example without even understanding what it was about in the first place.
@Depressed Panda, false. She can actually pay to freaking go there, as well as the fact only 10% of any population is enough to cause change. If that 10% got the same idea in their head, and started a movement towards change.
@FP Waiter, it's so depressing that I only 1 upvote to give to this human being. A rare breed of human that are the people who are smart on the internet.
@FP Waiter, also, in case anyone was thinking about a comment against the rape part, everyone trust the women when it comes to rape, but not a man. A woman could literally rape a man, and reverse it saying he raped her. This can ruin many things for him, such as:
-relationships: if he's dating someone or is married
-Jobs: he may get fired, and may end up a homeless man
@Depressed Panda, I don't understand what people are missing about your point. IAmTheLaw92 explained it further down below. This meme is a horrible counter-argument to modern day feminism, when there are plenty of legitimate ones we could be making
@FP Waiter, but that's like...their culture, man
@FonzerellaSticks, I assumed what I heard about it was correct. It wasn't and that was my mistake for not checking.
Sometimes, people make mistakes, it happens and there's not much to do about it but recognize your mistake and apologize. I did both.
If you're still too triggered to cool off and let it go, then go whine somewhere else.
@king of awesomeness, this is in reply to "they can pay to freaking go there"
Would you? It's easy to say "If they want change they should go to where change is most needed" and it makes sense, but people have jobs and friends and family in america and they don't want to leave that.
These people might be doctors or lawyers or accountants, but they're not all activists. Feminists have goals in their lives other than equality, so they fight local battles and ones they can win instead of dedicating their lives fighting misogyny in the middle east.
@FP Waiter, don't forget the bs of child custody battles and child support
Even though women are "strong and independent"
And yet how it's illegal to cut a females genitals for purely cosmetic reasons but not illegal to do it to a males
@carguy25, holy fück dude. I did a project about female genital mutilation and it is FÜCKED UP. Circumcision is incredibly minor and may have marginal health benefits.
FGM is painful and brutal, it's done at an age where the pain will be remembered, and it makes sex almost totally pleasureless.
I get the point you're making, but those two are NOT equal. FGM is far more akin to skinning your entire dick.
Did I mention that FGM is performed by someone with absolutely no medical training and poses a massive infection risk?
@Depressed Panda, incredibly minor? HA you're funny
Removing skin that protects the MOST sensitive part of the male body is DEFINITELY not minor
Take this from someone who's been under the knife before. JUST the risk of infection alone isn't minor. Nor is the scar tissue that will NEVER feel the same. So from actual personal experience you can fück right off
Because it kills hundreds of children yearly for PURELY COSMETIC reasons.
@carguy25, but isn't circumcision a decision made by the parents? And FGM is completely forced and against their will. Do you really think they're equal? Cause all the other guy said was that they aren't; and that was enough to set you off.
@carguy25, I'm not trying to argue for or against circumcision. I'm just saying that regardless of your opinion on it, FGM is still far worse.
@Depressed Panda, even if you're right about what you're saying - which technically you are - that implies there's a problem with how things are in the country now to begin with which makes you not so right. To reiterate, what other country's do other country's do and it's hard, almost impossible for us to get involved, so for the most part we should worry about what's happening here. But your problem is not a problem and you need to humble the fvck down. If you wanna prove you're not biologically incapable then get a job working in construction or join the army or something, beg to be on the draft if you really want equality because there is nothing else in this country that makes women feel worth less other than not being able to be drafted. AND YOU CAN STILL JOIN THE MILITARY NO PROBLEM IF THATS YOUR THING! As far as the USA is concerned men are far more vulnerable than women from a social standpoint. Feminism isn't something the west needs to partake in anymore
@CanadianSprinkles, I'm not female. I just think feminism deserves to at least not be mocked every single time it's mentioned.
There are problems with feminism, sure, but it isn't just a bunch of people whining about their first world problems either, and that's all I'm looking for people to recognize.
🤔 but we only have influence over our own culture. How could we influence the culture in a country in which we have no representation and therefore no actual sway over their society? We live here so it makes more sense to focus on the "problems" -using that term loosely- that exist HERE. Whether you think these people are whiners are not isn't really relevant. If you get arrested for shoplifting then pull out your phone and show the cop a picture of Ted Bundy and say "shouldn't you be more worried about guys like this?" you'd be correct logically but it wouldn't absolve you of your guilt for your own crime. I understand I'm being a little hyperbolic but it's to emphasize the point. There are actual counterarguments to today's feminists but we should at least use the good ones right?
@IAmTheLaw92, Yet we are still labeled islamophobic if we talk about the immigration of those middle easterners and their refusal to assimilate into our culture. That's more local, and a much bigger problem than manspreading.
@Pyvin, why is it a problem if people want to hold onto their culture?
@Depressed Panda, Because it doesn't mean with ours at all. In case you have forgotten, their culture is one of killing gays people for religious sake, and legally beating your wife.
@Depressed Panda, Just look up European No-Go zones. Areas in Europe that citizens of those countries can't enter for fear of assault.
@Pyvin, but by the same token you could say American culture is one where anybody could shoot anybody at any time, people don't care about the sick, and hate groups are allowed to say whatever they want.
American culture is more than that, because that description barely takes anything into account.
In the same way, middle eastern culture is far more than the worst parts of Islam and sharia law.
In regards to the "no-go zones": I looked this up. I found a bunch of far-right news sources talking about how dangerous they are, left-leaning news sources talking about how fake they are, and mot a single instance of an actual police officer saying the police wouldn't enter these places.
If you find some solid evidence I'll take a look, but I'm pretty doubtful right now.
The media can't both praise islam for the sake of being anti conservative and down islam for the sake of sharia laws numerous inhumane laws against anyone who isn't a straight male so they picked one. They praise it.
@Dimir FTW, left*
"I'm a woman and we already have equality, today's feminism is BS." - Feminists: "How the fûck can you be against feminism? You're a woman!"
The thing here though is that to fight against actual oppression they'd have to get their fat asses off their couch and step away from the computer long enough to have actual human interaction
@nemestrinus , but people don't like the greasy cûnts
It would work better if it were "men saying nice things"
If I'm a straight white man, and I'm Muslim, am I still sexist and homophobic?
Now now, this is racist. Sexism is ok as long as it's Islamic