Accurate portrayal of all presidents.
well sadly this isn't completely wrong
Well, it's not a ban on Muslims. Hell, the majority of the world's Muslim population isn't even affected by it.
@Doctor Krieger, He literally said during his campaign "I will call for a complete ban on muslims entering the US"
@dawg629, he said a lot of shît during the campaign. A temporary halt on refugees that affect .02% of the worlds Muslims is not at all a "Muslim ban"
Stop the hyperbole it weakens your argument.
@Doctor Krieger, "Well, it wasn't exactly genocide. Hell, the majority of the world's Jewish population didn't even die."
@dawg629, you right, he did say that. You remember all the crap Obama said during his campaign? Anyways, actions and words are two different things. His actions have not banned all Muslims. He said what he said to get votes. He's banning countries which have high terrorist rates, or at least known terrorist involvement.
@Doctor Krieger, I'd love to know why you're getting down voted for stating a fact.
@Simetricwl , and I'd like to know who downvoted you for pointing out their intolerance!
@Whole Inn Juan, Yes equating genocide to not letting people you have no obligation to let into your country is completely and acceptable argument.
@dawg629, doesn't really matter what he said. Do some research. The actual executive order says nothing about Muslims. I literally looked it up and did ctrl f "Muslim" zero results
@TotalBull, I think his point was just that it can still be labeled a Muslim ban without affecting the majority of the Muslim population. He's not saying the ban = the holocaust
@Simetricwl , omg did u actually do research before making a brash Uneducated statement on social media? So your argument is totally backed up by facts and things that actually did happen? That is too crazy. U r crazy
@Doctor Krieger, it was his intention to do a muslim ban, but he cant ban countries that the U.S has ties.
@Chucklenuts, as a matter of fact, it is backed up by facts! Thanks for noticing!
@big freedom, how is dawg629's statement hyperbole? His statement is literally the opposite. It was a direct quote
@Blue Shirted Guy, So if a store bans 12 black people from shopping there is a ban on black people?
@Blue Shirted Guy, if you believe every word a politician says during a campaign and treat it like it's policy, it's either hyperbole or complete naïveté. Which do you prefer?
@TotalBull, if they are being banned because the owner feels that them being black indicates a threat of shoplifting, then yes, it's a ban on 12 black people. Calling it a Muslim ban is different than calling it a ban on all muslims.
@big freedom, that would be complete naïveté, not hyperbole. Hyperbole would be trump's statement, assuming he didn't expect people to believe he would ban all muslims. What I don't understand is a lot of trump supporters loved that he isn't a politician and that he tells it like it is, but then defends his executive order by saying "don't believe every word a politician says." Though I despise when any supporter of any politician approaches what they do with a sport-like mentality. Not trying to single out trump supporters as "bad", just wish all voters would hold politicians accountable even if they support them overall
@Blue Shirted Guy, No it isn't, it's called a Muslim ban to indicate it's directed at all Muslims, which has been stated before it isn't much. Why the genocide scenario stated earlier doesn't work is because Hitler targeted all Jews he could get his hands on. Trump isn't targeting Muslims in the way Hitler targeted jews. The motive is what matters, if the owner of a store bans people because they are black, it is a black ban, if the owner bans people(because not just Muslims love there) for safety concerns it isn't a ban on what ever race because they are not being targeted because of their race.
@TotalBull, but you just said the owner is banning 12 black people. Why is the owner concerned that they pose a safety risk other than them simply being black? Your example is literally saying that it's ok to ban races that we are scared of because we are trying to be safe
@Blue Shirted Guy, instead of saying 12 black people, say he bans people from the hood from coming into his store. Same thing. Not any specific type of person, just not wanting people from areas known to be dangerous.
@Richard Cypher, that's a better example. I hope TotalBull was just using a bad example and not claiming that it's ok to ban races due to safety concerns. I think that's a tough one. I think a main argument for trump opposers is that trump repeatedly said he was going to specifically ban muslims before he issued the executive order. If the shop owner announced to the city that he wanted to ban black people, and then banned people from the hood, I think a lot of people would assume the true intention. That's what the 9th Circuit thought and that's what trump opposers think. While it did not specifically state to ban muslims, his speeches indicate that the intention of the order was to ban muslims. His emphasis on combating radical Islamic terrorism also indicates it.
@dawg629, well then since Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Egypt are the countries with the five largest Muslim populations in the world and aren't on the list of banned countries it's not really a Muslim ban then is it? Even Saudi Arabia was excluded from the list
@Blue Shirted Guy, I'm not a "Trump supporter". I'm more of a realist than anything else. I take everything any politician says with a huge grain of salt. But rather than seeing things as I would like them to be, I see them for what they are.
Trump is huge on hyperbole and it hurts his position. Doing the same thing back doesn't make a counter argument any more effective.
@big freedom, i wasn't necessarily indicating you were a trump supporter, I was just pointing out that it is hypocritical when trump supporters defend him by saying "don't believe every word a politician says." I also just wanted to point out that I didn't think dawg's comment was hyperbole. I think his counter argument was that if trump and his supporters claim that he tells it like it is, why all of a sudden should we believe that he didn't intend to target muslims, when he told us that he would? It's a strange situation, because they are defending him by saying he didn't mean what he said, which is the opposite of what they thought of him when voting.
@Blue Shirted Guy, I get what you're saying. Trying to understand any of what's happening lately is an impossible task. I just wish everyone would calm the F down. Let's see what actually happens and then make a decision about how to move forward next.
@Blue Shirted Guy, The only information given in that example is that 12 people are banned and they are black, the other example went further in explaining the difference between targeting and not targeting. So for example, the owner bans the 12 people because they are black vs the owner bans 12 because they are bad people and they happen to be black. That the difference between Trump's immigration ban and Hitlers genocide, Hitler did what he did because they were Jews, and Trump did what he did out of national concern. Was that really that hard to understand.
@big freedom, I agree. While I think it's important to discuss the future, so many people freak out about every little thing Trump says that it's impossible to meaningfully discuss anything
@TotalBull, why are they bad people though? That's what I'm asking. The only info you provided is that they are black. Also, you need to freshen up on your history. It has nothing to do with anything but I'm curious - Are you saying Hitler didn't kill Jews out of national concern? You do realize that was literally his argument for "cleansing" Germany right? National concern? Not saying Trump is Hitler obviously, but my goodness are you using bad reasoning.
@Doctor Krieger, where's the funny at here
@Blue Shirted Guy, They could be bad for multiple reasons, say stealing or busting in Windows, the point is why they are being targeted, is it because of their actions or simply because they are black. If I ban people from coming to my shop because they are black that is a ban on black people, if I ban people because they are a threat that is a ban on harmful people. You say simply because they're Muslims who live in those countries who can't come over then it's a Muslim ban, yet seem to ignore the fact that not just Muslims are being banned, everyone is. So this plays in the same spot that I keep getting to every time, it's targeting that consists of what the ban is. The only way it could be constituted as a Muslim ban is if only Muslims were banned for being Muslims, but it's not just a ban on Muslims but everyone. Also yeah I agree it was a bad statement to be made about Trump but my point still stands firm.
@Whole Inn Juan, the travel moratorium is 90 days. Death is forever.
Good job at Godwinning, you deluded nut.
@Simetricwl , tribalism is more important than facts to many people.
Honestly I find it really annoying when people call the recent travel ban a "Muslim ban". In case you didn't know those seven countries listed in the ban were named by the Obama administration as known sites/contributors to terrorism so it'd make sense we'd be limiting the number of people coming from those countries. And it's not even a permanent ban, it's just for next few months until we can determine a better way to make sure people coming from those countries aren't out to harm us. Think about it: if this really was a Muslim ban then why aren't Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Egypt (the top five countries with the largest Muslim populations) on the list? Not even Saudi Arabia, home to to the holy sites of Mecca and Medina, was included on the list. Less than a quarter of the world's Muslims live in the Middle East, so if any Muslims are affected by this ban they're a small minority of the world's Muslim population
@Sexy Homunculus, please do more research.
@giant mushroom, your counter argument is seriously "Do more research" and yet you don't provide any info? That's hilarious. But fine I'll take your bait. Those seven countries listed in the travel ban only make up around 11% of the world's total Muslim population. If this really is supposed to be a "Muslim ban" then it sure is a crappy one
@Sexy Homunculus, that does seem better than just bombing them. Hmmm.
Anyone else see Sloth from the goonies behind Trump?
Great idea, using their own weapons against them. Genius!
@WickedStyx, their own weapons that we supplied *cough* *cough*
Didn't we almost run out of bombs like a year ago?
I think Obama it's trying to set up Trump