I'd like to point out slavery was there before Egypt.
@OpenYourMinds, and that white people inventing slavery or not has nothing to do with whether or not there should be reparations
@SirLoveday, and that almost nobody alive today has ever owned slaves or been a slave...
@Doctor Krieger, and that also doesn't affect whether or not there should be reparations
@Doctor Krieger, legally yes
@SirLoveday, how do you figure that a person not ever owning a slave is not relevant to whether or not he/she should be forced to compensate someone who was never a slave?
It's the most relevant factor to be considered here...
@Doctor Krieger, because the question isn't about individuals providing reparations its whether or not there should be any at all. Not if it should be taken out of an American citizen's account or a corporation or government funds. So your personal culpability for slavery is unimportant
@OpenYourMinds, im pretty sire every single civilization has had slaves for the same reason we are making robots. lazy sons a b*tches.
@Doctor Krieger, just because you didn't own a slave doesn't mean you didn't benifits from it.
And reparations have nothing to do with individuals, it has to do with nations and governments. So there's really no correlation.
@SirLoveday, it's the most important thing. We didn't own slaves, our parents didn't own slaves, and our grandparents didn't own slaves. In fact, not even most of our great grandparents own slaves. Not only that, but many people who were from families that were once in slavery are now just as successful, if not more successful, than families that weren't. Reparations at this point just goes against the ideals of freedom and equality that most modern governments and modern religions promote, because it makes it okay for one group of people to hold responsibility over another group of people for something none of either group participated in, condoned, or had any control of. It's like if I walked up to you and told you that you have to let me slap you because your great great grandfather had killed my great great grandfather. Neither of us had ever known either of them, and neither of us know each other, so what's the point?
@Star Wars Qoutes , I didn't benefit from it. My ancestors didn't, as they were immigrants long after emancipation. Why should I pay reparations to people that I've never wronged just because the color of my skin?
Also, individuals pay for reparations. Can you really not comprehend this? Do I need to explain to you how taxes and affirmative action work?
@Sybil Reisz, thank you for saying it. Also, another thing that people seem to forget is that even if your ancestors weren't immigrants, chances are that your family never owned slaves, as slaves were expensive and few people could afford them or had a practical purpose for them.
@SirLoveday, you're engaging in a logical fallacy here. The whole is the sum of individuals. Collective culpability is individual culpability. To imply that white people owe reparations as a whole is to imply that every individual white person owes reparations.
Seriously, if Aristotle could figure this out 1000's of years ago, why can't you?
@Doctor Krieger, the implication is America may owe reparations and whether or not you personally owned a slave or not does not remove the responsibility from America regardless of where the money comes from.
@Doctor Krieger, unfortunately, that's not as true in some dark corners of the world as we all wish it was, especially considering human sex trafficking.
@Caine, not quite. Leisure was less of a factor with slaves. They were kept less out of laziness and more for the economical benefits. Capacity was the motivator for slavery. One man might not be able to build a pyramid or afford to hire people to build one, but he could force slaves to do it. Also, sex.
Robotics are motivated by a more broad selection of things, depending on the desired purpose.
@SirLoveday, the more you talk about this, the less I think you know what reparations actually means.
@Sybil Reisz, the more you talk the more I know you don't know what any of this means
@Doctor Krieger, How do you think America became a world power or dwarfed all other western economies? 250 years of free labour. You don't think job discrimination helped you or your ancestors get jobs? Or the fact that they could vote? Or the fact that they could get loans to open businesses? or the fact that you or your ancestors don't get beaten and thrown in jail? etc. Didnt benifit? You know little about slavery, domestic policy, or police procedure if you think only slave owners benefited from slavery or the racist policy that followed.
I'm not going to argue with you because we are going to disagree on the facts and it's because we have different perspectives.
@SirLoveday, ah yes, attacking my character and my knowledge of the subject. I simply wanted you to give your understanding of what reparations are, but since you've stooped to the lowest low one can in a debate, I'll provide you with the textbook definition of reparations.
the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.
the compensation for war damage paid by a defeated state.
Now, the 1st definition says making amends for a wrong ONE has done, as in an individual. Now, you say that reparations aren't to be met by individuals, but by America itself. That would suggest the 2nd definition, which it can't be because the civil war's been over for over 100 years, and the US can't pay itself. So it should be easy for you to see how I could be confused by what you're saying.
@Sybil Reisz, yes cause clearly I was the making all of the character attacks. I started all the questioning of what the other person knows. I filled my statements with condescending insults of your intelligence like "if you ever studied this or that you would know..." sure buddy. Whatever helps you feel better. I'm with @Nellybert Slavery is bad.
@SirLoveday, Is it wrong of me to cite my sources? And how is saying I don't know anything not a character attack? I'm not attempting to be condescending, and I'm sorry if it came off that way, but I wanted to emphasize how easy it is to find the information I'm using.
I also agree that slavery is bad. That was never in question, though.
@SirLoveday, so you going to pay me? My ancestors were indians.
@Firecracker Jim, lol my ancestors were never in India but if you mean they were indigenous to America, Hi cousin!
@SirLoveday, fine, native American. And thats the point im trying to get across
@Doctor Krieger, actually there are millions enslaved today - sex slaves (human trafficking)
@SirLoveday, you do realize that African tribes would raid and conquer each other and make slaves out of the conquered. Then they would hold them in forts off the coast of Africa to be sold. A common misconception is that most of the Africans were "tricked" onto boats to becoming slaves. In reality Africans sold other Africans in exchange for guns and whatnot. African tribes slaughtered weaker tribes, rapped their women, and enslaved their people. Yet you make no argument that African countries pay reparations. Instead you want the country to buy the slaves pay reparations (which at the time) was completely legal. Also, Arabia was enslaving AND purchasing slaves at twice the rate Americans were, yet again they plays no part in your reasoning. You ignore a couple thousand years of history where people enslaved other people and just point the finger at America. Why? Because it was one of the last countries to ban slavery?
@SirLoveday, or because you found some half-cause where you think "gee America should have to pay money for something it legally did 150+ years ago" and now your a keyboard social justice warrior. Look at history and look at facts. Your argument is entirely subjective and only goes off the appeal "slavery is wrong". Well no duh, the sky is blue but that doesn't mean that communism would be a viable form of government. In conclusion, your argument holds no intellectual ground and does not have premises related to the conclusion, I find it to be a weak argument.
@Iron Giant, did I come on here saying there should be reparations for American slavery? Did I say anything about how slaves got here? Are you aware that purchasing Africans as slaves was not the primary way slaves were brought into America? My point was simply that in a discussion about reparations, the direct participation of those alive today is not a factor in determining their validity. In other words. The descendants of an artist who had his work stolen can sue the descendants of the thief who profited from the theft. That's all. I forgot how these subject rustle jimmies
@Iron Giant, no social justice warriors here. Stop reading so much into a comment. This is NOT a fight for reparations. Calm your tits
@SirLoveday, Your great great grandfather kicked my great great grandmother's dog. You owe me $100.
@SirLoveday, so you want reparations or no reparations for American slavery?
@big freedom, "millions" seems to be a bit high of an estimate. Also, there are what amounts to slaves in parts of South Africa, as some are forced into labor by local warlords at threat of death.
@MrWonka, I don't think there should be reparations. I just see the rational of those who want it and are fighting for it. And I foolishly tried to explain it online
@Star Wars Qoutes , The fact that you think all whites benefit from job discrimination means that you think all employers are racist. Do you realize how ludicrous that is?
@Star Wars Qoutes , Anyone else going to point out the fact that America is only 240 years old? No? Just me? Okay.
@Doctor Krieger, DoSomething.org "20 to 30 million"
ArkofHopeforChildern.org "20.9 million as of 2012"
UnseenUK.org "21 million"
Obviously all these are wrong because you want them to be?
@SirLoveday, The reason that there is even the discussion about reparations is because of the large ammount of black people living in slums or near poverty. Now is thus
@SirLoveday, remeber what Mark Twain said "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Conservatives are incapable of higher thinking. Just look at their candidate for presidency
@OpenYourMinds, well I have now finished my popcorn and that was a beautiful argument to read I must say, truly entertaining
@APurpleDragon, I strongly support there being a real thorough discussion on it, I just wasn't trying to start one. I keep forgetting how the internet works it seems. The exchange in these comments shows the massive gap in how slavery in the Americas is viewed and the sincere need for a proper and detailed review of American history
@Boko Harambe, you are correct. Took me too long to remember that so I've finally stopped responding to their bait
@SirLoveday, agreed, if you post any sort of opinion on the internet there will be a discussion and most likely some people who get to "into it" shall we say. That being said i still dont think repartions are the answer to the problem.
@SirLoveday, so do the Egyptians owe reparations to the Jewish people?
@SirLoveday, Really? Why do you think there are so many blacks in the country?
@Boko Harambe, yes except when Mark Twain said that he was referring to southern racists who could not be reasoned with because of religious beliefs, wherein their arguments were "always valid" in their eyes and in the eyes of the church. When talking about people who know more on the subject and bring actual proof to the arguments we are not beating you with experience in stupidity, we are beating you with simple historical facts that anyone not blinded by their own arrogance could easily see as truth.
@Jdrawer, thats not what said? I said job discrimination, voting, loan discrimination, and domestic policy helped whites (specifically in the case of Doc). Not once did I say all whites.
And there was a study that showed (in all industries) that whites with the same requirement as blacks are twice as likely to get called back for an interview, and that blacks make 25% less than whites for the same job.
It's not my opinion, it's statistical data. Just Google job discrimination in America, everyone from Havard to the UN acknowledges it.
Bertrand, Marianne and Sendhil Mullainathan. 2004. "Are Emily and Greg More Employable Than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination." American Economic Review, 94(4): 991-1013.
@SparkySparky BoomMan, wait, what histprocal facts are you "beating" me with?
@k151rumm, first mass slaving was brought to the Americas in 1619 at jamestown, VA. And before that they were brought to Spanish colonies (like Florida) in 1510.
But yes it 240 years old, for 190 of them Africans were enslaved (physically, mentally, and economically). And another 35 years of the war on drugs (the new Jim crow). Not a great track record.
@k151rumm, Britain started colonizing America around the early 1600s, and the US didn't get it's freedom until 1776. So even though they weren't the US at the time, they had slaves before gaining their independance. And no I'm not taking sides, just letting you know.
@Doctor Krieger, human trafficking still exists. And is far more rampant than it ever has. Whether it's sex slavery, or labor, it's still here, especially in America
@Star Wars Qoutes , woah woah woah buddy. Just how old do you think America is and how long did you think slavery lasted in this country?!?! I was staying out of this because I don't care as I don't owe anyone anything due to my ancestors potential crimes no matter how awful they may be and I am not owed anything by others due to my ancestors. However your comment about American being built on 250 years of free labor is asinine. America is only 240 years old and slavery was abolished in the 60s. Where the hell do you get the idea of 250 years of free labor?!?!
@Star Wars Qoutes , I mean seriously as an American history major I gotta ask you something, be warned its possible my math is off I'm going off my own memory, you do get slavery was abolished closer to the signing of the declaration then it was to 2016 right? I mean I could be wrong, also be warned I don't have comment notifications and I won't check this so if you disagree that's fine but man come on 250 years?!?!
@George Feeny, first African slave was brought to the Americas in 1510 (Spanish colony). First African slave brought to a British colony was 1619 (Jamestown).
However, you'd be correct if we do not include slavery in the colonies (It's not like America started itself, it's was built with slavery since 1619, the US just broke off mid construction) and exclude 100+ years of Jim crow.
@Star Wars Qoutes , I wasn't going to get involved but here I am. The reason America is at all as powerful as it is is because in world war 1 and 2 we flipped our entire output from individual, domestic markets to military, and foreign power. Every single factory was putting out military weapons and vehicles and raw resources to sell to other countries and use for ourselves. Along with that and a huge feeling of patriotism, America wanted to be the best. We went from maybe top 50 in almost every category to top 3 in literally every category. We became the strongest military power in the world with the most flourishing economy known to man in a matter of months. Slavery had nothing to do with that. The most slavery had to do with anything in America is cause a war and make cheap labor for the south which mostly stemmed from racial prejudice.
@lakewood20, America lead the world in exports of timber and absolutely dominated the agricultural trade (sugar, cotton, coffee, tobacco) from 1776 - 1900's. Both of which relied heavily on slavery and cheap Jim crow labor.
Senator James Henry Hammond of South Carolina (1858) like most white Southerners, believed that cotton ruled not just in the South but in the United States and the world. Many economists agreed. In 1855, David Christy entitled his influential hook Cotton Is King. Cotton indeed drove the economy of the South, affected its social structure, and, during the Civil War, dominated international relations of the Confederacy through "cotton diplomacy."
To say all slavery did was cause a war and was cheap labour is extremely ignorant.
@lakewood20, "Without the firing of a gun, without drawing a sword, should they [Northerners] make war upon us [Southerners], we could bring the whole world to our feet. What would happen if no cotton was furnished for three years? . . England would topple headlong and carry the whole civilized world with her. No, you dare not make war on cotton! No power on earth dares make war upon it. Cotton is King."
So slavery was the powerhouse of the cotton industry, that ran both northern and southern economies. Was a huge part of American GDP, and was traded internationally making America rich. And slavery had nothing to do with that?
P.S. the US had the largest economy in the world by 1880, surpassing the England. WWI reaffirmed our dominance over England, but bankrupted the country leading the the Great depression. WWII sort of got us out of it and we have had 12 recessions since.
@Star Wars Qoutes , considering that the majority for some time did not own slaves because it was expensive, I don't think it is fair to say the entire nation benefited when the small majority were the benefactors. Also I don't see why any of this is still brought up as if racism still exist, if you want to talk slavery that is fine but saying whites benefit from it today is just ludicrous.
@lakewood20, American economy with slavery (not paying wages) = greatest economy in the world, if not history
American economy w/o slavery (now paying wages) = crippling debt, multiple recessions, and constant war to keep the military industrial complex afloat to save the economy
And you think there is no correlation?
@Star Wars Qoutes , it's a lot more complicated than that though. I'm not trying to cop out, I'm just saying motivated Americans are more powerful than lazy Americans with slaves. I'll have to leave it at that
@TotalBull, okay I have a question for you. 70% of the world chocolate is produced using child labor (biggest importer is America). Meaning the price of chocolate is low. If those children were paid/paid normal wage the price of chocolate would go up no? So that snickers bar that is 1.50 is now 2.50/3.00. So do we as a nation benifit (save money) from child labor?
From slavery no. Racist domestic policy, job discrimination, housing discrimination, policy brutality, the war on drugs etc. Whites benifit from that. Which is a direct spin off of slavery.
@lakewood20, I get what you are saying. It's to complicated of a topic to have on FP lol
@Star Wars Qoutes , I think you've been watching to much CNN, wages don't always correlate to the price, competition does. Please explain a law that is racist in intent, and tell me how it correlates to whites. I also firmly believe a private company has the right to discrimination.
@TotalBull, yes it does lol especially when you produce 70% of the product. Increased expense = increased price. If you bottle water for 25 cents and sell it for 50 and then all the sudden it cost costs 40 cents to bottle water you are telling me you'd leave the price at 50 cents?
The criminal justice system. Most ivy league universities have done studies on it. The UN committee of human rights did a report on it. The justice system and war on drugs is inherently racist, it specifically targets Hispanics and blacks. Google the white war on drugs, the sentences for abuse of pharmaceutical drugs (which is dominated by whites) which are equally if not more dangerous, have much shorter sentences, if any at all.
Example: blacks make up 13% of population, 14% of observed drug user/dealers and yet 56% of blacks in prison are in jail for drug related offenses, 36% of which are non violent.
@TotalBull, a better example correlating to the benifit of whites:
The U.S. Sentencing Commission reported in March 2010 that in the federal system black offenders receive sentences that are 10% longer than white offenders for the same crimes. The same report shows African Americans are 21% more likely to receive mandatory minimum sentences than white defendants and 20% more like to be sentenced to prison than white drug defendants.
So I smoke a bowl, I go to jail.
You (guessing you are white? No matter) smoke a bowl, they take your shjt and you go home.
Explain to me how that isn't racism intent, and how that doesn't correlate/benifit whites.
@Star Wars Qoutes , yeah that's not true. The reason blacks spend more time in prison is because they tend to have multiple charges already applied to them. That isn't racism, that's just a culture that has been subjected to disobeying the law. Also all the studies you are posting(i've heard and read of them already) never take into account what drugs are used in the same crimes, they take general statistics and try to pull a race card, and then ignore the fact that blacks are more likely to deal crack and cocaine, are more likely to abuse hard drugs, and are more likely to sell openly unlike whites who generally sell in more private ways.
@TotalBull, no they are not. Lol I'm pulling the race card? Yet you say we are a culture prone to breaking laws. That's extremely racist and ignorant.
Firstly, the FBI, department of Justice, and UN all did studies on the matter. They all agree the justice system is racist and race plays a large role in sentencing.
All races across the board most drugs at about equal rate. (P.S whites died more from drug overdoses, mostly herion and oxytocin, than any other cause of death, so your Ignorance is astounding) Blacks lead drug use in 0 categories. Whites lead it in three: herion, pharmaceutical drugs, and designer drugs. Yet the sentences for these crimes are minimal if any.
Show me one study saying blacks are more likely to deal hard drugs. Because the FBI, UN, and DoJ beg to differ.
@Star Wars Qoutes , all blatantly, probably true. Every bit of research confirms this. Including research focusing on first-time non-violent offenders with the same narcotic
@SirLoveday, *provable and true
@TotalBull, wrong. There are multiple studies that compare non-violent first offenders with the same narcotic and the same amount. Check the justice department findings on policing in Baltimore and St. Louis for example. They showed that black people were targeted for drug searches far more than whites despite them having a much lower success rate searching black people
@Star Wars Qoutes , yes ignore population when factoring drug use.
You do realise when you factor in the fact that blacks make up 13% of the population and whites make up 50% there is going to be far more whites in these cases, yet for some reason blacks show up in almost identical numbers, and when you factor population it turns out that blacks are 11% more likely to use drugs at all compared to whites.
@SirLoveday, I'd love a link to this study, I like to read.
@TotalBull, what part of 13% of observed drug users/offenders do you not understand?
@TotalBull, instead of googling "all blacks are criminals", try "racism in US justice system". Not like this shjt is hidden
@TotalBull, and try Google scholar instead of Fox news yeah? Good talk.
@TotalBull, then read this- www.IDontWorkForYou.com/YouCanFindItYourself
@Star Wars Qoutes , so you didn't read it? Also i don't watch Fox news, I'm not a conservative.
@Star Wars Qoutes , it also used the fbi statistics you love so much.
@SirLoveday, thank you for providing a source, I'll look into it.
@SirLoveday, I'll upvote for the creativity and fooling me. But you don't prove a point in a discussion like that.
@OpenYourMinds, and most slaves that ended up in the triangle were slaves before white people came.
@Sybil Reisz, ok- so if the original slave children could've started off better, would it have helped? If all slaves had the opportunity to LEARN and start with a little MONEY, their children would have done better. We see this today
@SchroedingerPussPuss, may I ask which of my comments you're replying to?
@TotalBull, true. I'm done trying to prove any points. There's a book you might consider looking up that shows in these sort of disagreements and attempts to persuade each other people overwhelmingly dig deeper into their previously held beliefs. I tried. And I'm done.
@SirLoveday, you had a point but failed to back it up. You have no interest in proving me wrong and having a full on conversation. You already have your mind set, I'm always open to learning new things, which is why I always state my cases, and I'm always willing to respond. To each their own.
Arabs were probably the most prolific slavers in history, actually.
@Doctor Krieger, I dunno, Mongolians also like their slaves.
@CriTiKa1, Didn't Native Americans (sorry if that's not the correct term any more) kill the men of other tribes and enslave the women?
I'm not saying they're bad people, just that slavery has existed pretty much as long as there have been two groups of people capable of meeting each other. White folks just added capitalism.
@Nellybert , "capitalism" has been around too. White folks just added unprecedented cruelty, genocidal murder, torture, rape, and dehumanizations like no one else before had
@SirLoveday, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Ghengis Khan and Mao Zedong were white...
@Doctor Krieger, I didn't realize they lived for 400 years
@SirLoveday, their age has nothing to do with what they did. Ghengis Khan was mongolian, not white, and treated his horses better than he treated his slaves. Most of his children were the products of him raping women they'd taken as slaves, too. So to say that white people "added cruelty, genocidal murder, torture, rape, and dehumanizations like no one else before had" is culturally ignorant, as well as historically inmacurate. It's also just plain offensive. It's like saying Russia or Germany had the first tyrannical governments because theirs were the most recent, completely ignoring anything ancient Rome, Sumeria, or ancient China did. Oh, speaking of ancient China, you know the great wall? That was built off of hundreds of years of slave labor. There are literally hundreds of slave's bodies stuck inside the wall, because if someone died while working the ones overseeing the construction just told them to keep building over it.
@Sybil Reisz, yes there are hundreds of bodies there. And millions dumped in the ocean from the middle passage. My statement about age was to demonstrate that my statements about cruelty and dehumanizations and rape of men and women were an ongoing system for on a scale and time period that puts an added emphasis on the horror of American slavery. I couldn't care less who gets offended by that. I never said they were the first to be cruel. But comparing Genghis (one man) and his rapes to systemic rapes is intentional obfuscation of scale
@SirLoveday, you misunderstand. I was using Ghengis Khan as an example of what all ancient Mongolians participated in. Additionally, you also seem to not understand that American slavery is one of the tamest examples of slavery. You're talking it up like it's the cruelest any system of slavery had ever been, but you can only do that because it's the most recent example and it's been taught in required history classes. Meanwhile, if you actually researched any country besides America at all, you'd find that almost every single one has a history of slavery at some point, where the nation either owned slaves, we're slaves, or both. Additionally, in case you didn't notice, none of the things you listed are an ongoing system, at least not in regards to slavery. Any examples of them in modern American society are isolated incidents that have absolutely nothing to do with slavery, and in the modern day and age the closest there is to slavery is human trafficking, where most victims are white.
@Sybil Reisz, great assumptions. I have and American slavery is in no way the tamest. Just because others have had slavery doesn't mean the conditions or systems were the same. And yes those absolutely were systemic. Buck breaking wasn't something one or two crazies tried. These aren't isolated incidents.
@CriTiKa1, I think that they liked their fücking and murdering more, though.
@SirLoveday, they aren't assumptions, they're facts that can be learned by reading any history book. And again, you misundstand. In your earlier comment you said they are systemic, not were. I'm clarifying that they aren't currently systemic. They are isolated incidents, not because they're something that only happened once or twice, but because they're seperate events that have nothing to do with each other. If two people on opposite sides of the country are doing the same terrible thing at the same time, they probably don't know that the other person even exists, and they're probably doing it because they take some sock pleasure from it, not because their actions are a product of any system.
@Sybil Reisz, in my earlier comments I said were so and at no point made reference to current slavery or human trafficking. So what is happening today isn't relevant to the discussion. The things I mentioned weren't done in vacuums as isolated incidents or the product of 3 or 4 separate loons.
@SirLoveday, Can we just agree that we all agree that slavery is bad?
@SirLoveday, you do realize that there hundreds of people who commit actions like rape, torture, and murder every year in America alone, right? And none of them have anything to do with eachother. It was the same back then, but went on for longer because it was harder to find out or punish someone for doing those things back then. And someone who did those things to slaves didn't do it because they were slaves, they did it because they wanted to do it and slaves were an easy way to do so without getting in trouble with the law. Crazy people exist in vast numbers, not twos or threes, and they have existed since the dawn of time, and they will always do whatever they want to because they think they can, regardless of what a system tells them. So they operate within the system, but they do not operate because of the system. You'd know this if you'd ever taken any psychology or criminal law classes.
@Nellybert , You're absolutely right
@SirLoveday, you're a racist môtherfûcker, môtherfûcker!
@SirLoveday, I'm guessing that forcing slaves to fight each other and animals for people's entertainment is no where near as cruel as American slavery.
@CriTiKa1, did you know that many Americans were so cruel that they wanted to emancipate slaves? Hell, Jefferson even proposed it as an Amendment for the US Constitution. Unimaginably cruel.
@Doctor Krieger, Little known fact, Jefferson wanted to denounce slavery in the Declaration of Independence. However, it was decided that a denunciation like that would divide the colonies when they needed to be the most United, so it was taken out. A lot of people don't know that slavery wasn't widely accepted in America, it was debated since the creation of the nation.
@Nellybert , well we did steal and deforest their all their land that they have been on for countless generation and wipe out all those who opposed us. Odds are they could give less a fvck about whatever was considered Geneva convention back then
@JC839, We didn't do anything, the colonists did. I don't know where this idea that modern people are responsible for the actions of the past came from, but is completely wrong.
How about this. We all work and quite with this give me a hand out because your ancestors were mean to my ancestors. Of any race. No one owes you a thing. When you are born you are owed nothing in life you earn it.
@Firecracker Jim, finally a good comment on this flame thread
@Maxwell the great,
@Maxwell the great, not a good comment its just common sense. Or it should be anyways
@Firecracker Jim, its sad that common sense gets even less common day by dat
@Maxwell the great, it might as well be a supper power bu now.
@Firecracker Jim, Those are very easy words to type as a white male. You and I will never know what it's like to live as a black person in the aftermath of slavery and the (very recent) civil rights movement. At the very least, don't pretend it's so black and white (pun intended) when that reality is so far removed from yours.
@joshin u, oh golly mr your right. Oh wait im not white. Im native American so kiss my azz.
@Firecracker Jim, I stand corrected; your comment was very typical of a young white male and so I assumed incorrectly. But I still stand by the fact that you can't speak for an entire segment of the population regarding how they should feel about their history or current social standing.
@Firecracker Jim, it thinks it's funny how blacks died defending many native American tribes
Run away slaves lived as allies with them, we were on the trail of tears with yall, etc etc. Yet once again here yall are throwing us under the bus. The Seminoles did it. Cherokee did it. You are doing it lol
Natives have reservations, your own government and land, and were paid reparations, yet here you are saying we shouldn't get them? Lol ass
US just finalize a settlement for 3.4 billion (2014) to natives (114 tribes). So since you all don't need hand outs I suggest you guys give it back to America.
@Star Wars Qoutes , 👍
@Star Wars Qoutes , you think it's funny they died. Dude that's messed up
@joshin u, sure i can because i am a productive member of society who doesn't expect anything not earned by me. And how open minded of you assuming someone who doesn't want to kiss black people's ass just because we owe them makes someone white males.
The idea of reparations is the dumbest fugging thing
No one owes anything in life. I'm not responsible for what my ancestors did and your no one is entitled to receive anything their ancestors did.
This... This post has just enough potential to spark a debate! And by debate I mean shjt could get heated.
@Coach Jones, *Tosses bucket of cold water on pic* nope
The first slaves were Armenian Slavs. The word slave actually comes from the word Slav. Idr the rest of the detail but I'm pretty sure whites WERE the ones to enslave but they were also the slaves
@SovietCanada, slavery existed in times before civlization itself did. Babylonians (who were most likely arab or african themselves) existed several millennia ago as among the first civilizations and are the first we can confirm had slavery.
On today's edition of False Dichotomies...
I'd like to point out again that while ancient Egyptians did have slaves, they probably never enslaved mass quantities of Jews
Egyptians went to war and traded with Nubia. When Nubia won or when pharaohs took nubian concubines you got black Pharaohs.
@SecretlyaStark, Egypt was the sister state of Nubia. They traded extensively and were pretty much allies. Both were black. Nubians are black. Egyptians are black. I do not understand why people think the oldest civilization in North East Africa that was founded circa 5000 B.C (written record from 3100 BC) was white. Eygpt and the Kush kingdom was founded because Africans were migrating out of Africa. White anything didnt arrive till the Greeks and Romans came. Look at ancient paintings, all black. The gods, black. Statues, black. Poetry, black. Writings describe blacks. Like come the fvck on man.
@Star Wars Qoutes, yeah I don't get it either. Some people can't handle the idea that some of the most advanced civilizations on earth didn't need the white man to lead them. Or they mistake the Ptolemes for a representation of the entire people.
@Star Wars Qoutes , they don't think they're white, they think Egyptians are middle eastern.
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They actually weren't slaves, it was mandatory labor that the entire kingdom was forced to do during the non harvest season
@tv turtle 2025, says 1 historian that disagrees with other historians.
*pushes both at the same time and causes the world to explode*
@phantom of phantoms, nah. Cognitive dissonance, bro. Race baiters in the US are already frantically slamming both buttons at the same time.
Can someone explain?
@Tuckerdidit, maybe when you're older
@Tuckerdidit, Egyptology dawg. There are black people who aren't anti-white but kinda are but also say they come from Egypt or something? I've had a BRIEF encounter with people like that, so I definitely don't know 100%
@AdrianBrody, well played
Oh whites invented slavery, no brainer in this day and age unfortunately
@AdrianBrody, Egyptians one is a true fact but the white one is a popular opinion
@GRIMthaREAPER, exactly 🙌
@GRIMthaREAPER, actually the bible is the only text that says the Egyptians enslaved the Jews. Beyond that there is no proof
@Kakashi Hitake, actually there's proof of it besides the bible.
@GRIMthaREAPER, not really, actually. And even if that were the case it places them much much later than the completion of the pyramids. The book of Exodus is a myth
@Kakashi Hitake, Actually if you do any research you'd find that to be false
@Jolee Bindo, that's where you're wrong kiddo. The earliest mention of Hebrew culture in Egypt appears much later than the supposed enslavement of the Israelites. Had the Jews actually a crossed the dessert as is suggested they should have left at least some trace, but didn't. Which is odd because we've found traces of smaller groups in the desert. There is not evidence to support the book of Exodus other than a large stretch of possible correlation
@Kakashi Hitake, *grabs popcorn and sits back to watch shjt storm unfold*
@Kakashi Hitake, They crossed the dessert, and it was delicious. :)
@Kakashi Hitake, I know you guys are having a serious debate but I just find it a bit funny that A ninja and Jedi are arguing history haha
@Laika the Space Dog, thank you for calling me out on that. I realized the typo after I hit reply
I agree it has been proven that they didn't build the pyramids but it isn't stated in the bible that they did.
@Jonnasty, don't listen to this grim guy he's an idiot.
@Dr Kriegerstein, you sound smart, Doctor.
@Jonnasty, unfortunately I'm not that kind of doctor. Or any kind for that matter.
@Dr Kriegerstein, don't let them tell you that.
@Doctor Krieger, are you my evil clone? Or am I the clone? Does it count as murder if you kill your own clone?
@Dr Kriegerstein, I don't understand how he's an idiot
@Boko Harambe, do you understand who he's talking about? It's very unclear. And secondly you shouldn't use the bible to try to prove something when it's not factual. I believe it has a lot of good messages sometimes but it should never be used to prove a point.
Reparations is a fncking joke. Nobody in the U.S. today was ever a slave in this country, so to claim you deserve to be compensated for something you never went through is just ridiculous. And even if you got them, who should have to pay them? Are you only going to increase taxes for whites? There would be a whooooole new 'civil rights movement' because at that point your fncking taxing white people simply for being white. Reperations is simply NOT a realistic goal, instead of trying to use a pity party to get free money how about instead we all just take a step back and say 'every ethnicity through out time has committed some pretty atrocious acts, so instead of brooding on the past how about we, as a society of HUMAN BEINGS, try to learn from our mistakes and work for a more unified future?'
"Egyptians were black" - cancer 101