Again if someone with a different view point is what adds to the project, good. But to hire a black person because they are black. Pointless
@Memes Or Death, same with white though, to hire a white person because they are white is also pointless
@Bender B, exactly my point
@Bender B, does that happen in 2017?
@Oujosh29, unfortunately I did read a study where they presented and employer with identical resumes (same education, same work experience) with the only difference between them being a white sounding name (like Steven) and a black sounding name (like Jamal) and unfortunately they would pick Steven 9 times out of ten. They ran a similar test with two white sounding names, but one for a guy and one for a gal, and the guy was picked 7 times out of 10 or so.
@Bender B, yeah but that's not what affirmative action is
@Memes Or Death, meritocracies are racist, sexist, xenophobic, and bigoted
Why should someone have to try as hard to get treated just as well as another applicant or employee if they're M A R G I N A L I Z E D ?
@Memes Or Death, and ironically racist
@Memes Or Death, what about the "cool factor" though?
@Bender B, I highly doubt that the resumes were the same, but i will state that i can guarantee that the "tests" were probably rune in a majority white area, or on small business.
@Caine, the resumes were the same, they were fake. Literally copied and pasted. I'm not saying every company is like this, I'm just saying it is still a thing.
@Bender B, Hmm, that's actually interesting. Did they have different types of employers? I'd be curious to know if black employers would also pick Steven, or if female employers would also pick males. That would be a really interesting follow up to that study.
@Bender B, who in the hell downvoted this?
So this is a little long but relevant. My dad is a waste water engineer in NY, and his company has a minority quota of about 20%. The problem is, the market just isn't there right now, so he's had to hire minorities who were worse than white people, because it was required by law. In my opinion the negatives of minority quotas greatly outweigh the positives.
I thought about getting a job at Google, but I know my conservative views will limit my success. Sad to say, but Google is a very liberal company
US military recruiters are have quotas based on their location as to how many different races they should be bringing in.
Why not hire people that are all three?
@do it for the meme, why focus on the other 2 if it happens great, if it doesn't happen still great. Diversity doesn't actually add any value but it also doesn't take any away. So why focus on something that is neutral over a positive thing
@Memes Or Death, example: say you walk into a google building (for some reason) and walk up to the front counter. Would you rather be some old dude who is good at his job, or a woman in her 20-30's who is also good at her job? idk how old a minority is but my point still stands.
@Memes Or Death, Well, actually, in a collaborative environment where innovation is expected, a diversity of experiences and backgrounds is very valuable
@do it for the meme, who ever is better at the job
@UmActually, fair point, and i am to lazy to start a argument about who to hire so im just gonna end it here.
@UmActually, diversity is a good thing....as long as they are still the best qualified for the job. Diversity for the sake of diversity itself hurts a company
@Oujosh29, I mean, I'm sure there are still standards to uphold. They're not bringing in totally random people who have zero experience.
@UmActually, yeah, but having standards and hiring the most qualified aren't the same thing. If one applicant meets the standards and is a Jewish/black woman who identifies as an apache helicopter, do you hire her even though the best qualified candidate is a boring white dude with more expertise and experience? Places like Google and universities actually say yes, which is messed up
@Oujosh29, In Canadian business it is the law to have a certain percentage diversity quotient of people from visible minorities in an effort to diversify the workforce. Can't recall the exact number, business law wasn't my forte
@EmpireFanClub, Canada has a quota for hiring minorities? Is the one black guy in Canada hired as a "consultant" to hundreds of businesses so they don't break the law? Sweet setup for the black guy
@Oujosh29, if the job is totally individual based with no group thinking going on the better candidate is always the best way to go. If you're collaborating in groups on ways to improve performance or sell to a different market diversity is always best. 10 Christian white guys probably don't know what the best way to target women, other religions, and other races are interested in or what would be a good way to advertise to them. Also people who are all similar in group settings usually agree far more and conversations stagnate with only one view point.
@Oujosh29, I really doubt this is law. I'm Canadian. I know they actively try to diversify (ideal quotas) but I would not say it is a law.
This is a gross misinterpretation of the actual issue. Nobody is saying hire someone less qualified. The problem arises because companies will be faced with two relatively identical candidates except for race/gender/sexuality/religion/etc. and elect to choose the one who is white/male/straight/Christian/etc. (or worse when the minority candidate is actually more qualified, but are still not picked). Obviously there can be valid reasons for a company to elect not to higher a minority candidate, but that doesn't mean that profiling and rejecting candidates simply because of a defining characteristic of their identity doesn't happen and isn't an issue that needs to be addressed
@Dex the Lumberjack, that's not actually true. Private businesses and universities actively have lower standards for minorities just for the sake of diversity. My own college, University of Oklahoma, has different score requirements for different races to be eligible for enrollment
@Oujosh29, I don’t understand why this was disliked. This is literally a well-known fact, all you did was state it
@Oujosh29, I agree with both Dex and Oujosh. Its just Oujosh's scenario occurs more especially at a government/educational level (ie schools, municipalities, etc).
@Oujosh29, that cannot possibly be true thanks to the Supreme Court case involving affirmative action and University of Michigan
@Dex the Lumberjack, obviously, but there's a lot of idiots on this app that think trying to achieve equality is descrimination against white people
(I'm white myself btw)
@liberachi , http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/624/Oklahoma_Study.pdf
Ah yes Google, clearly a flawed business model that will run them into the ground. All of us here have so much more success then the diminishing brand that is Google so lets scruitenize it's flawed business model as we are the experts in this discussion.
The sad part is after AA And EE and everything of that like in many companies this is actually true